Back; some thoughts on what I'll upload here in the future
Posted by Ka-Atis 9 years ago
There, finally, I'm back.
Aaaaand, as for art, let's see where my mood takes me this year, as always, hard to predict. I can only say that I intend to do a lot of different things. And, because of that - diversity as well as unpredictability -
I *am* wondering and pondering whether or not I should change my ways when it comes to where I upload what.
Here on this site I've uploaded everything I do, anything I draw (or write) which is somehow related to vore, no matter humans, humanoids, anthros or animals. While the prey often remains the same or similar (human or humanoid), the pred can vary a lot. Now this can indeed be a great thing, this way I can make art attractive for many different people. And I love varying things, experiment, play around. But all this also has a down-side - that my watchers will also have to put up with all the stuff they do not like. They can never tell for sure what will come next, perhaps the things they love, or will it be something entirely else, maybe even something they hate... Diversity in art can be a blessing for the artist, but also a bane.
I should also mention - It seems I don't have one vore kink, but actually two. They're quite different too, in how they "behave".
The first one is where I identify with or relate to the pred. This pred tend to be humanoid, as in almost human but with some typical predator traits, and other traits which make me think "pred written all over him/her". This is a general fascination I have - the general thrill of predation, and also - what is actually going on inside such a pred's mind? And, as this fascination can have sex appeal as well, I decided to share it here. But in it's very origins, it's much much more than that, it can also be entirely non-sexual. As a result, I'm *often* into this type of scenario, it's satisfying on the creative level, no matter what my sexual mood should happen to be.
The second kink is where I do *not* identify with or relate to the pred, instead I always enjoy it from the (invisible) observer's perspective. Here the pred can be anything - ranging all way from human to animal, anthro or monster. The "big thing" is that the pred is somehow disgusting or offending to the prey, in a way that "adds to the horrors". Also, typical vore traits tend to be emphasized or exaggerated, such as big saggy bellies, huge maws or fleshy tongues. The prey however, *must* be human and male, and with an appearance appealing to me. And here's the thing - in contrast to the first type of vore scenario where I identify with or relate to the pred, this one *only* works as a kink, with its huge ups and downs - There are the times I'm totally into it and it's such great fun, and then there are the times where I couldn't care less. And on top it's all unpredictable.
So in order to make my activities more clear-cut, predictable, less confusing when it comes to "what I'm into", and what to expect, I'm wondering if I should stop posting stuff related to the second type here on Eka's. It seems easier or more convenient for everyone when I focus on just one interest here. But worry not, nothing will get lost, I'll not delete any art (not right away at least). And more importantly, I'll keep all of this art on Fur Affinity, where it has been posted as well, and continue with it over there. I'll also keep on watching others doing animal/anthro/etc work here on this site, the separation will only be about the work I'll produce myself.
So yeah, my idea is to use Eka's for human(oid) preds, while FA for anthro, animal or monster preds.
Posted by 4ofSwords 9 years ago Report
My opinion, for what it's worth: You should definitely post both types, and not bother differentiating them. To me - and I can recognize the distinction in what you draw between those two - they are both still on the same spectrum in terms of general appeal, even if you draw them for different reasons. They dovetail into each other. I enjoy seeing them both, and think both are definitely within the scope of this site. But even if they weren't, as long as your gallery remains mostly vorish, I think people shouldn't mind seeing a little bit of different material now and again. We can still appreciate each other as artists regardless of if we're 'into' every detail of what each other draw.
For example, I post a pretty diverse array of art and stories. Some, I imagine, are much more up your alley than others. When the ones that aren't your type are posted, does it bother you, or do you just clear them from your incoming messages and move on?
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Posted by Eupeptic 9 years ago Report
My vote is to post both kinds here on Eka's. Use the tagging system to identify which kind it is, so people that only like one kind or the other can follow just the tag for what they want.
On FA, the tagging system sucks great big sweaty hairy monster balls, compared to here, so it'd be hard for watchers to split things up. Here, it's easy.
Eupeptic
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Posted by Ka-Atis 9 years ago Report
Thanks for comments :D
I think my underlying wish is to come up with a clear definition on what my works are about, not have it come off as random. Variation, diversity is all great, but "this artist draws anything" - not so much. I need an overall theme - The thing I will be known for.
So what bothers me is that those two vore types of mine may "cancel each other out", or (still bad enough) one of them steals all the limelight and "suppresses" the other. The first one gives me one type of feel, while the other one a quite different one, and when they mix... instead of adding to each other they may just obscure or twist each other. When somebody sees my art or stories of the first type, how I care for it, go in detail and depth about it, they may expect that I care equally for the plain kink stuff of the second type as well, and expect there's some real "content" there, something more behind it. Or the other direction, which is actually worse, someone sees the plain kink stuff and assumes that *all* things I do are along those lines, not seeing what the first category is, simply because they don't expect it.
Of course, everyone who pays attention should be able to tell these two apart, it's pretty obvious what is story, and what is just grab-and-gulp ;). But when people who don't know me yet browse through galleries to find things worth watching - They may see stuff from the "wrong" category first (the one they do not enjoy) and leave again without realizing there's also an other one (the one they would have liked) ..? Generally, I can see how this diversity can backfire as being confusing or giving wrong impressions and expectations.
But -
At the other side I can also see how the two types can add to each other. When put on the same site, in the same gallery, people into one type may possibly get curious about the other things I do as well, and perhaps "discover" that like that as well. For instance, those into animal/anthro stuff get a chance to discover Epituz as well, and vice-versa. And also, some of my stuff may not be that easy to categorize - it doesn't fit into any of those two molds, but is something in between, or outside of it.
So perhaps the best solution is to keep everything here, but have a more strict/clear/defined categorization by folders. Maybe also add some further descriptions, indicating what to be expected. That way I may be able to keep things apart, not cause any mess, and at the same time keep all work easily available. It *is* convenient not having to visit several places.. And, the overall theme I have always gone by - "predation - thrill and horror" - may be good enough as identification.
I'll give this some more days to think about, probably I'll give it a try.
That's a good point. There may indeed be no clear line between the two types. They are really different (pred perspective vs. observer perspective; story with sex appeal vs. "just porn"), but perhaps they're more like extremes at each end of a continuity (with the overall theme - vore, thrill, horror) with many things in between as well, things which have a little of both. Or neither. My orcs and ogers may indeed have one foot in each camp; much of the humor stuff is neither story nor plain kink material, but rather form their own, third category (lolvore where I may or may not identify with the pred :P). Yes, these things can turn out really complicated...
Most of the time I deal well with stuff not up my own alley - I simply ignore it. But also, there *are* the things which truly squick me out, and should one artist I watch start posting a whole lot of those, then I *may* decide to un-watch. It has happened in the past, it may happen again in the future. A change in the tag system may be helpful here - That the blacklisting also works on the 'messages' page, not only on the 'latest updates' page. It still requires that the artists tag their stuff properly though, and that the stuff is "taggable".
The challenge is to find tags which identify "In this image I relate to the pred and it's part of a bigger concept" versus "this is vore kink stuff for the momentary fun - enjoy"... ;)
But yes, I agree. And what could work is pred species tags - since the pred often correlate with the category, like, humanoids are the most typical preds in the first one, while animals/anthros are the most typical preds in the second one. Additionally, using separate folders may also do a good job.
Oh yeah, tagging on FA ... There each word is automatically identified a separate tag, so "big belly" would turn into "big" and "belly", which doesn't make much sense... O.O
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Posted by 4ofSwords 9 years ago Report
Hmmm... I don't know. At the risk of pigeonholing you, I think all of your works fall cleanly into a category I'd call "Ka-Atis", in that it's all particularly, identifiably your thing. Your style is distinctive, but so are your likes. More than once I've come across a drawing on the site and thought, "That's something Ka-Atis would probably like!" to see that it was a request or gift or trade for you.
My feeling is that if both of those things represent your likes, go ahead and mix them up together! I've broken up my gallery just because it got too big and unwieldy, mostly, but also to separate out commissions and trades and the like because a lot of those aren't representative of me, but they ARE representative of what I'll draw for other people. Of course, a lot of those are right up my alley, too, but I thought it better just to break it out as stuff for other people, rather than "stuff for other people I don't care for" and "stuff for other people I do."
Have you gotten comments from people that either are turned off by something in your gallery, or confused, or assumed you liked something more than you did?
Personally, I think an integrated gallery that fully represents you is the way to go, unless you need to break it up for clarity (too many things) or subject matter (separating out Rugg stuff, etc.).
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Posted by Ka-Atis 9 years ago Report
That's right, all my works match the wider definition of what I like. But I'd also welcome a more clear-cut representation of my subcategories.
All the things I upload represent my likes, but in different ways - from creatively inspiring on the one end, and casual/kinky on the other. Both are fine - just different.
There has not been any specific comments, my thoughts are based on the general idea that it's better to have things sorted, for clarity. The different vore types give different types of feel for me, and I want to *cultivate* that. Mixing everything together seems counterproductive.
When others don't see or feel this difference, it may simply be because it doesn't really make any difference for them, and that's all fine, (obviously) I'm not going to instruct people how they should feel about my art, that's their business. But, it could quite as well be that the distinct feels could have been there, just never got the chance to develop, thanks to me mixing everything together. After all, a feel, or a mood, is more effectively conveyed when the material it originates from is presented in its pure form, without any other material distracting from it. So, in conclusion, there's no harm in separating the stuff instead of presenting it mixed, but there may possibly be a gain.
I think I'll go for keeping everything of my work here, and keep on uploading all types in the future. But again, I'll need a more distinct separation.
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