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Re: Why anime?

Postby Syndrome » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:12 pm

I personally like some of the styles they use for the faces. I've never been to fond of the super hero looking faces, the kind you would find in a DC or Marvel comic. I used to watch Anime and I still on occasion will find one that is really well done, but that's so rare. I kind of hit the same point you did a long time ago, they get so old and so cliché so quickly.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Shadow_Walker » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:15 pm

Thirded. I also have a problem with anime fans talking anime in regular threads and basically butting anyone who isn't talking about the show out of the thread. It got to be so much of a problem, we actually had to ban regular discussion of anime in the random thread.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby crystal » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:21 pm

I'm glad I'm not alone.
My biggest problem is that some people just want to associate it with everything.
I'm tired of RPing with characters whose names I can't pronounce!
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Shadow_Walker » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:24 pm

crystal wrote:I'm glad I'm not alone.
My biggest problem is that some people just want to associate it with everything.
I'm tired of RPing with characters whose names I can't pronounce!

Well, the thing is anime is the in thing right now. All of those people think they're being cool and rebellious but they're really just following the group.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Bannor » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:24 pm

I'm also not a fan of most anime art I see. Besides most of it being female (AUGH!!), there's just no appeal for me. But, if it works for others, then more power to 'em. I just click away until I find what I like. :-D
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Re: Why anime?

Postby KavenBach » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:39 pm

Yeah, I wonder that too. It was cute the first few times, but after a few million images it gets real repetitive real fast. I mean... I don't know, but there's just something wrong about a person whose eyes are bigger than the rest of their face, you know?
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Re: Why anime?

Postby EveAra » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:47 pm

As an art style, it's stylish, simple, and divorced from reality, and that's probably why people use it. It's hard to find an independent cartoon style that isn't comicbooky or stylish unless you have a lot of practice at forming your own style. Still, anime style can be great because it can be as realistic or simplstic as needed. Flowing hair with many strands or simple, chunky hair, simple mouth or hyper-detailed, it's very interchangeable. Something about it is very welcoming and attractive, and I know I wouldn't have delved so deeply into figure drawing without being introduced to it.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Ginbug » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:01 pm

I like it as an art style personally, though I think it's still nice to see art done in a different style. The only thing that really puts me off about anime is when they depict young girls as more sexual figures (http://moronail.net/img/1120_14_YEARS_O ... nime_anime this is what I'm talking about). I dono, maybe its just me.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Terastas » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:07 pm

You are aware that we don't like anime just because it's anime, right?

That's actually one of my pet peeves: people making the assumption that all animes are created equal or that people who like one anime like all animes. Really, watch Akira, Spirited Away and any one of the Pokemon movies and just try and tell me with a straight face that they're all the same damn thing.

I can't speak for everyone, but I think a lot of people appreciate Anime because the Japanese were the first people to shake off that "cartoons are for children" bullshit that many people still adamantly believe. . . Except now the full sentence is "cartoons are just for children, unless they're Japanese, in which case they're for geeks and perverts because they're all the same load of hentai fuckshit."

In other words, I think people often copy the anime art style because anime is the only place where you can find truly moving and/or compelling story lines in an animated format.

Besides, what would you prefer they do? Rape your childhood memories with Disney, Warner Bros. and/or Nickelodeon style artwork? People are going to piss and moan no matter what they draw. It's not all about just what you fucking want to see.

So I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the people that complain that there aren't enough human preds, aren't enough horse preds, isn't enough hard vore, is too much furry content, and now is too much anime-inspired content: if you think there's a shortage or an imbalance of something, get off your ass and make some yourself.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Shadow_Walker » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:14 pm

Terastas wrote:You are aware that we don't like anime just because it's anime, right?

You do realize no one had said that until you did right? *Faceplam* C'mon man, not everyone who disagrees with you is persecuting you.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Green_Glutton » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:53 pm

Actually sanime isn't all the same and shouldn't be consider as one style all togther.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Paradox » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:53 pm

Well, normally I woulnd't even answer to a thread like this cause I like Animes the most and never want to argue with people who don't. In my believings everyone has it's own opinion. I just think someone should take the counterpart in your discussion and/or at least try to say why Anime is the 'more liked than other drawings' style. ( Sorry if I would get offensive with the statements, that's not my intention at all. I'm just wanting to put simple facts^^)

1. [Since when is it 'IN'?]
It's not an 'IN' thing that just came up, the typical Manga- (for Books) and Anime- (for TV) style was already invinted in Japan around 1951 by 'Osamu Tezuka'.
Today it has as much variation as many other drawing styles. The main reason why so many shows/movies get more popular compared to the western comicstyles are facts like: Today it's easier for 'foreign' countries to translate those, broadcast them, etc.... I still remember being a Kid and watching some shows. Back then the companies only translated those poorly, a series named 'Trigun' (German version) for example had almost a 7- 10 people in every episode, but the translators only seemed to use 5 voice actors who didn't even seemed to be interested in doing their job well :roll:. Means every person had the same boring 'Uh... am I really here?' voice >.>
(I also loved the normal DC and Marvel stuff more back then ^^ That was more Professional)

2. [Popularity due Stories?]
Well, of course storywriters of both Western and Eastern styles put more and more 'Emotional stuff' in their Movies and Series than they did 20-30 years ago. So I can't say at all Animes would be better, that would be a grave sin! The fact is that in Japan, Mangas are that much liked that even adults read those in trains/ traffic jams each day on their way to work. This means that they face a much bigger group of readers than many of the western styles which lose their attention, once their main group (kids) get older and lose interest in it. There are 'sadly' only little exceptions to it. (I'm still reading watching those today though^^ Never thought I would see the day when Superman dies 'Superman: Doomsday' though the comic is better than most of it's shows.)

2.5. [Popularity due more Psychology? ]
Another reason why Mangas get more popular is that they tend more to have 'darkfiction endings' than their western counterparts or face more around RL problems and Psycholgy. Example:
-Who doesn't know Superman or Captain Amarica in their blue/red/white Unifroms, always fighting those evil Villians beating them and showing off themselves as the greatest? It's the simple we stand for America and we always 'WIN' http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.co ... am%201.jpg
Please, don't get me wrong, I love to read or watch Action Comics :P Since the last 2 months I'm watching almost every thing of DC or Marvel I can find on youtube^^. It's just that I often have the impression that the stories are too simple: Evil Villian, Evil Plan, blahbla,--- back to topic.
-The Eastern counterparts focused more on Human behaviour in many of their shows. In the show 'Ghost in the Shell' a police Units finds out that the government held back 'a cure' for a deadly-sickness which could have cured 100.000 of people and kept that secret just to sell something much more expensive that doesn't work half as good. And before this Police Unit gets to public with this cruelity, they get marked as terrorist and are to be hunt down by the very own military. (The so common: our country is corrupt >.> thinking that many people share).

Oh, before I forget about the young girl and hentai stuff argument. In Japan they have a censorship for Porn like in other countries, but for some strange reason the laws allow them to "draw" freely what they want... means all this Lolicon stuff [or as I would call it Underage and in some horrible situations Pedophilia] is allowed for drawing/sale/buying.

3. [Quantity and Quality]
To put it simply this time. There are a hell lot more shows and books based on the Manga stlyes today. Quality depends more on computers today than actual drawers so I guess it's not even worth discussing. The reason for the popularity of Manga and the increasing of it's style is the quantitiy which is overflowing the market.
Simple calculation: People like one product more and more -> the market reacts by buying more of it -> the poeple who want it are now focusing on this product and leaving others out.


The same it is with this site and the Fetish drawings.
When I see someones drawings I don't see Anime or any other Art style. I see how Awesome some people here are making their works 'especially Karbo, WHTB, Nitro-Titan... ' and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who wishes to become a drawer someday who could compare with their works. :D


[sorry for typos and bad english, didn't wanted to write that much in the beginning ^^]
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Re: Why anime?

Postby crystal » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:11 pm

Good god...

Fuck me for having an opinion... -_-
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Eka » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:41 pm

crystal wrote:Good god...

Fuck me for having an opinion... -_-


What is that suppose to mean?
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Re: Why anime?

Postby GREGOLE » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:49 pm

It's fairly simple, really.

Most of us have grown up with a lot of anime. We didn't know it was anime at the time, so it was never really imprinted as anything abnormal.
In animation, the majority of compelling, story-centered animated shows were of Japanese origin, at least at the time where we grew up. As beloved as shows like He-Man, Swat Kats and other western animated shows were, anime tended to have more continuity and thus left more of an impression in several ways.
And why not? It's a very flexible style. It's not overly cartoony so as to loose appeal, but it's also not so bland that there's no kick to it. And as more people adopt it into their style, more people come to see it as the norm.

It has very little to do with any personal fixation on anime itself. It's simply the most eye-catching style many of us have been exposed to, thus causing countless artists to subconsciously view it as a sort of default.
There's also the fact that the anime style was actually inspired by Disney. Because anime and Disney are the most common styles we see in animation, we tend to associate it with the default.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Bitter » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:58 pm

Eka wrote:
crystal wrote:Good god...

Fuck me for having an opinion... -_-


What is that suppose to mean?


Paradox's reply was fairly thorough, which I believe Crystal took as a sign that Paradox was upset at them.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Eka » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:03 pm

Bitter wrote:
Eka wrote:
crystal wrote:Good god...

Fuck me for having an opinion... -_-


What is that suppose to mean?


Paradox's reply was fairly thorough, which I believe Crystal took as a sign that Paradox was upset at them.


I will wait for his explanation. Thanks.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Terastas » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:07 pm

crystal wrote:Good god...

Fuck me for having an opinion... -_-

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone else on God's green earth should have one too. :x

Truly, nothing blows my mind more than when people piss and moan that nobody is respecting their opinion right after they've proverbially dropped their pants and pissed all over someone else's.

Grow up.
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Paradox » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:07 pm

Bitter wrote:
Eka wrote:
crystal wrote:Good god...

Fuck me for having an opinion... -_-


What is that suppose to mean?


Paradox's reply was fairly thorough, which I believe Crystal took as a sign that Paradox was upset at them.



Don't worry^^ I'm not upset at all, I just wanted to make some things clear before this gets out of hand. Because the thread originally started with people saying they want to see other art-styles more (I don't have a problem with that at all) and slightly slipped into a bully/hate thread I thought I should be putting facts before it drifts away from the main theme.
Crystal as well as some others here are just dissapointed that more and more poeple focus on a style that she doesn't like. How can you blame her for that?
I for one can't stand modern Art. Still there are billions of people who love things like a dirt point on a white blanco sheet of paper :roll:
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Re: Why anime?

Postby Vorishartist » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:14 pm

I draw anime style because I've come to enjoy the blending between traditional art style (realism) and stylized cartoons. My style isn't necessarily inspired by one thing, although I like to say that the artists Ken Akamatsu and So-Young Lee have something to do with it, and maybe a little bit of Kouyu Shurei. Most of them (2/3) are korean artists, and not japanese. I dislike the huge-eyes tiny neck tiny shoulders large breasts that so many popular anime and manga artists depict, thus I try to blend in anatomical muscle structure with a pretty face. As such, I like to think I've developed my own style that's constantly improving.
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