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Re: Mental Disability & Vorarephilia

Postby tqueensway » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:15 pm

masterofvore1 wrote:for me this kind of thing did NOT cause my issues. Ive had them for many years.
also saying that someone is always killed isn't true, they are a lot but my early vore experiences were creatures who helped out people by carrying them in their bellies. no death.
I do it to have some amount of realism while removing major issues at the same time(i.e. acids can be turned off,animals are easy to train,etc)
those quirks may have been the reason I joined,actually.
(this applies to me, but it's not necessarily true for others. thus it's just my perspective and opinion.)

on the other hand:
when imagining happy things you are happy. so it is plausible that someone who spends their days in a dark,evil,life-taking fantasy may also eventually began to feel the darkness creeping in. especially if you imagine things very vividly.
this probably affects a LOT more people then the first statement.


Erm... believing that 'evil' vore (pain, digestion etc.) might inherently make somebody evil is quite missing the point. There are plenty of otherwise sane individuals who have very dark kinks (ergo, guro, rape, etc.)– yet they acknowledge that it's purely fantasy and choose not to pursue it.

I'm more concerned over those who become so fixated upon, say, a fetish writers' fiction, that they contemplate taking their own life when they fantasy fetish porn doesn't end the way they wish it to.
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Re: Mental Disability & Vorarephilia

Postby Kharon » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:22 pm

tqueensway wrote:
masterofvore1 wrote:for me this kind of thing did NOT cause my issues. Ive had them for many years.
also saying that someone is always killed isn't true, they are a lot but my early vore experiences were creatures who helped out people by carrying them in their bellies. no death.
I do it to have some amount of realism while removing major issues at the same time(i.e. acids can be turned off,animals are easy to train,etc)
those quirks may have been the reason I joined,actually.
(this applies to me, but it's not necessarily true for others. thus it's just my perspective and opinion.)

on the other hand:
when imagining happy things you are happy. so it is plausible that someone who spends their days in a dark,evil,life-taking fantasy may also eventually began to feel the darkness creeping in. especially if you imagine things very vividly.
this probably affects a LOT more people then the first statement.


Erm... believing that 'evil' vore (pain, digestion etc.) might inherently make somebody evil is quite missing the point.


Indeed. This is the same scaremongering that the TV and video games had (and still have) to put up with.
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Re: Mental Disability & Vorarephilia

Postby tqueensway » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:25 pm

Kharon wrote:Indeed. This is the same scaremongering that the TV and video games had (and still have) to put up with.

Best counterpoint to that (at least in the context of claiming that video games are responsible for American violence) is to point out the fact that countries like the UK and Canada have play the same video games as here in the states, listen to the similar music and watch the same movies, yet have far less violent deaths than the USA.

I'm getting a bit off-topic, however >_>
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Re: Mental Disability & Vorarephilia

Postby C-B-A » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:41 pm

tqueensway wrote:
Kharon wrote:Indeed. This is the same scaremongering that the TV and video games had (and still have) to put up with.

Best counterpoint to that (at least in the context of claiming that video games are responsible for American violence) is to point out the fact that countries like the UK and Canada have play the same video games as here in the states, listen to the similar music and watch the same movies, yet have far less violent deaths than the USA.

I'm getting a bit off-topic, however >_>


yeah here in Canada we basically play the same games and such as in the States, and we have far less violent deaths because everyone here doesn't carry guns or feel the need too because we don't fear our own citizens.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Avant » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:11 pm

It's not a surprise there's a few, how should I put this, "different" people who post on this site. I'm not going to point any out but I've seen plenty of straight up weird posts. I don't think there's a link between this fetish and mental illness anymore than other fetishes or interests. But the nature of the fetish and the fact this is THE vore forum on the internet, it's bound to attract some bizarre people who just don't realize how creepy they're being.

Also thanks for the links, they're pretty amusing.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Saftkeur » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:14 pm

Hmm, this may not quite be on the same topic as mental illness, since that is a subject I have very little experience with. But from what I've seen...
It does sometimes feel like the community in not only here, but lots of other fetishes, has a strong "weird" theme to it. At the very least, weird by current social standards; I'm probably pretty weird myself, though I'd like to think it doesn't show very well. (I'm pretty quiet in real life.)

I think the main thing is, a lot of people who work up the courage to participate in community forums such as here are bound to seem a bit odd to others. "Normal" in today's society tends to translate to "weird but never tells anyone", so if you talk about it, you're already straying off from normal.
That being said, I think there's still a large majority of folks within a fetish such as this who, quite simply, can't ever bring themselves to talk about it or otherwise participate in a community like this. I know I still feel a bit odd nowadays adding sexy or fetish-themed art to my favorites on deviantART, simply for the fear of someone looking through my favorites and thinking "oh wow, this person is a total perv". (I'm a bit more lax about this now, plus my Saftkeur account is anonymous and I could care less what people think of it.)

So what we end up with is a vocal community of people who have worked up the courage to participate; they've either embraced the anonymity of the internet (case-in-point: yours truly), or accepted the fact that nobody is "100% normal", or just got tired of trying to live up to social expectations at the expense of their own interests. And of course, at the extreme end of the spectrum, you have people who are simply lacking in social skills, or just can't seem to enjoy things in moderation. (you see this nearly everywhere, it just appears much differently depending on its context; the sports fan who loves his team way too much and will go so far as to get into fights about it, the gamer who doesn't think about what they're saying while playing an online game, etc.)

To me, I just see people who are sometimes getting a bit too caught-up in their fantasies, or having a bit of trouble expressing what they'd like to say; not necessarily mentally-ill people, though suicidal thoughts would certainly count as such. I can even relate to the second poster's dilemma, I've been really bothered by fatal vore stories as well (though for me, it just reinforced that I only like specific types of vore, and I simply avoid fatal vore stories now).

Er, let me wrap this post up.
To summarize, I'm of the opinion that, while fetish and similar communities do tend to have a larger concentration of "weird" folks, there's no more of a correlation between mental illness and any fetish than with anything else; as with any community, it's simply a smaller group that is the most vocal, and well, in this case the majority of these cases tend to find their way into the more vocal group. Going back to sports, it's the same thing that causes the stereotype of loud, drunken sports fans; they're the most vocal of the vocal majority, even though so many quiet, calm folks enjoy watching sports. You could easily draw a line between football fans and drinking, if you just looked at the vocal majority. Same for bar-goers and brawls, because nobody pays attention to the people who go to a bar, drink, and then just go home.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Hagen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:31 pm

Well this is going to be a unpopular but true response.

More than a few years back homosexuality was considered a mental defect.
now a movement caused that to be taken off the books

and proof of that is bi sexuality is still very much in the medical community's considered a mental defect. Why? Cause there is no bi movement. there is no such thing as bi rights. There are no bi parades.

Now you can fire back "the hell does the medical community know." And that's cool. But strictly speaking yes, a dr would likely consider you have a mental defect for being aroused by vore.

Your gonna be okay. (As far as I know). but it's a honest response.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby AdjectiveNounCombo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:29 am

In my humble, non-professional opinion, I think it's totally normal to have fantasies about terrible things. It's not uncommon for anyone to imagine harm being brought upon others, be it revenge or jealousy. Dark fantasies, sexual or not, are something that all people partake in. So I would have to say no, being a voraphila does not make one any more crazy than your average Joe.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby tqueensway » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:47 am

Hagen wrote:Well this is going to be a unpopular but true response.

More than a few years back homosexuality was considered a mental defect.
now a movement caused that to be taken off the books

and proof of that is bi sexuality is still very much in the medical community's considered a mental defect. Why? Cause there is no bi movement. there is no such thing as bi rights. There are no bi parades.

Now you can fire back "the hell does the medical community know." And that's cool. But strictly speaking yes, a dr would likely consider you have a mental defect for being aroused by vore.

Your gonna be okay. (As far as I know). but it's a honest response.


Well, of course. Technically any paraphilia that doesn't aid in breeding more humans is technically a disorder. I'm (mostly) homosexual and am more than aware of the fact that my sexual orientation doesn't correlate towards breeding and is therefore a defect. Doesn't bother me any.

But I think we're getting off on a tangent here– I'm not particularly concerned with holding voreish fantasies so much as the people who become completely detached from reality pursuing them.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Shetira » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:43 am

I think it has more to do with the shock value of the statements and the attention it gets rather than some specific link between vore and mental illness. If claims of mental illness get the desired reaction in a particular community, that's what you'll see more of. In other communities it may be claims of being abused in a relationship, stiffed by a commissioned artist, whatever gets that community going the most.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Moon_Princess_Yue » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:00 pm

First off, I think you would have to be mentally ill in the first place, to want to kill yourself over something as stupid as a story not going your way. Guesses are the people already had depression, or some sort of illness before hand, and became engrossed within the fetish. I seriously think that there is no correlation between fetishes or mental illness. You liking a certain fetish won't make you mentally ill, and the reason for that, is most mental illnesses are either due to chemical imbalances within your brain (Depression), you are born with it (Aspergers), or you have a family history of a certain mental illness that can possibly affect you later in life (Bi-Polar Disorder).

Now, with all of that being said, the people who usually become too engrossed with the fetish, usually don't separate their fetishes from their normal daily lives, and thusly, the fetish consumes them, and that's all they do/care about. For these people, every little thing must absolutely do something with their fetish, otherwise they're not interested and want nothing to do with it. It's one thing that society calls people who don't follow the social norms 'weirdos', but when you have nothing else in your life besides one fetish, it almost becomes an addiction, and you can't really live your normal daily life.

I think if these people learned how to balance their fetish life and their normal life, they wouldn't be in that type of situation. I know that for some people, it's really hard to keep their fetish side and normal life separate, but I don't think a mental illness is an excuse. I'm dating someone with aspergers and they keep both their internet life and real life separate very well (I also know many other people with depression and other mental disabilities, who don't have this problem).
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby no_one_you_know » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:06 pm

tqueensway wrote:viewtopic.php?f=18&t=30549 KILL SELF BECAUSE AUTHOR WROTE STORY WRONG


Oh my god. There is now a large hole in my wall from me hitting my head against it. If having a vore fetish didn't make me insane then reading that certainly did.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby tod3690 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:39 pm

Moon_Princess_Yue wrote: I'm dating someone with aspergers and they keep both their internet life and real life separate very well (I also know many other people with depression and other mental disabilities, who don't have this problem).


For people like that it is an easy thing to do, if said person known how to manage there day to day life, the group I am in RL that I see once a month full of both aspergers and autism, I have autism by the way and while I do spend a great detail of time on the internet vore isn't the only thing I think of, I also like to think of cute things, like; http://aryion.com/g4/view/233722 by no means is that meant as a fetish, but as a joke and people seem to have taken it well.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Delicioso » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:56 pm

I think a lot of people on here are crazy. This is afterall, an image board where we fap and talk about people being eaten alive. It's not exactly something we can control (in terms of liking) though.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby tqueensway » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:48 pm

Delicioso wrote:I think a lot of people on here are crazy. This is afterall, an image board where we fap and talk about people being eaten alive. It's not exactly something we can control (in terms of liking) though.

I don't particularly consider that the crazy part, though. People get off to the craziest things, vore included.

What scares me more is those detached from reality.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Hagen » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:59 am

tqueensway wrote:– I'm not particularly concerned with holding voreish fantasies so much as the people who become completely detached from reality pursuing them.

hay,
lets not get to hating on being detached from reality sir :wink: .
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Hagen » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:06 am

tqueensway wrote:
Delicioso wrote:I think a lot of people on here are crazy. This is afterall, an image board where we fap and talk about people being eaten alive. It's not exactly something we can control (in terms of liking) though.

I don't particularly consider that the crazy part, though. People get off to the craziest things, vore included.

What scares me more is those detached from reality.


I swear i didn't read this post until after my last post.
The irony.

See i don't hate on different people for being different for the simple fact that, well normal and reality is horribly boring. (I think that could be this sights title lol. Reality and normal is horribly boring.)

Have you ever found yourself doing something so off the wall that one of the few comforts you took in it was "Well at least i was bold enough to try it." God bless the weirdo's of the world. They inspire, they entertain, they create.

I think some of the best writers in the world were detached from reality. Did a sane mind write alice in wonderland just for example?
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby tqueensway » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:54 am

Hagen wrote:Have you ever found yourself doing something so off the wall that one of the few comforts you took in it was "Well at least i was bold enough to try it." God bless the weirdo's of the world. They inspire, they entertain, they create.


LSD.

But at least the trip ends and I know that my visions aren't a reality.

For a skeptical, cynical follower of the scientific method like myself, detachment from reality irks me.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Hagen » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:09 am

tqueensway wrote:
Hagen wrote:Have you ever found yourself doing something so off the wall that one of the few comforts you took in it was "Well at least i was bold enough to try it." God bless the weirdo's of the world. They inspire, they entertain, they create.


LSD.

But at least the trip ends and I know that my visions aren't a reality.

For a skeptical, cynical follower of the scientific method like myself, detachment from reality irks me.


I'm picturing Dr house now for some odd reason. (love that show).

I feel cynical is unrealistic. As a gambler the law of averages shows us that worst possible out come does not in fact happen each and every time.
to assume a negative out come is inevitable is in fact it's own detachment from reality (or rather selective reality).

I tend to think of myself as neither optimistic of pessimistic. Life flows. Cynicism is the drug of the hopeless.
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Re: Mental Illness & Vorarephilia

Postby Kharon » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:03 pm

Hagen wrote:I feel cynical is unrealistic. As a gambler the law of averages shows us that worst possible out come does not in fact happen each and every time.
to assume a negative out come is inevitable is in fact it's own detachment from reality (or rather selective reality).


As a gambler, you should also know that the house always wins. :)
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