Would we survive being unbirthed?

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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby phazon » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:16 pm

Well, the person inside won't be able to dissipate heat, BUT the HOST would. Depending on the size of the unbirted in relation to the unbirter (no idea if that sentence works) and the natural core temperature of the host (sorry lavagirls) overheating would not be a killing cause. Suffocation would.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby RikuHidanza » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:22 pm

smiley wrote:
Radijs wrote:What makes the diffrence though is, how much heat will you be able to shed.

Yes somewhere it can be hotter. That's when we sweat, the sweat evaporates wich takes a lot of heat away from our bodies.

Enveloped like that, water won't be able to evaporate.


But doesnt that mean that all unborn babys would die from overheating?


Their bodies have always been at that temperature thus they have acclimatized to that temperature its like some one who has lived in Alaska all their life can't handle living in Texas.

Human bodied don't handle sudden temperature changes that well.

Also on the baby thing all babies are completely encased in a sac filled with amiotic fluid that help with the dispersal of heat and keeps the infant safe and hydrated
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby threk » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:11 am

Suffocation: definite problem if both the pred and the prey are just average humans (albeit the latter being smaller), so you'd need at least 1 of 3 'possibilities'.
1 breathing apparatus (either connecting to the outside world, or bringing an air supply in with you),
2 modification of the basic biology of the pred, prey or both, for instance, make the prey more oxygen efficient, or perhaps restructure the pred's circulatory anatomy so that the womb is highly oxygenated, sort of like a reverse lung, or connect the reproductive and respiratory tracts somehow. Maybe something like a bird's air-sac system.
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Overheating: More of a long-term problem compared to air-supply. While the prey would not be able to shed heat as easily, at the same time the womb isn't going to get significantly hotter than its temperature when the prey first arrives; the pred still has her own homeostasis systems to cool herself when bits are getting too hot. Still, this would probably only prolong the inevitable heat death; even if the prey's outer layers only heat up to the temp of an average internal organ (~37.5°C) by the very nature of metabolism, the prey's inside would get warmer than this, and that's not healthy.
Again, the three 'possibilities' for surviving this are:
1 Cooling apparatus (I dunno, bring something based on the expansion of compressed Nitrogen/Air) or a heat-resistant suit
2 modification of the pred or prey's biology
Prey: Make them more resistant to heat through mechanisms unrelated to heat-loss. For example, genetically engineer a prey with every enzyme replaced with a heat resistant one.
Pred: Reorganise circulatory system to get a flow of cooler blood to supply the womb. Set her internal thermostat lower so her internal body temp is lower. Genetically engineer her for cold-resistance then lower her thermostat more. Create something like the bird's air sac system around the womb so create a constant air-flow around the womb to keep it cooler.
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So yeah, as we are now, with no outside influences, the prey would be a goner within a few to a couple of dozen minutes depending on how much air is in there with them. Potentially a very happy goner, but a goner nonetheless. (Although a quick bit of fun with a pred that can let you out the second she wants to is probably feasible.) For longer periods of time though, let's be honest, magic and genetic/anatomical engineering of this level are not going to be arriving any time soon, so if one day through some other magic means we get shrunk and survive or a giant woman appears, wearing a suit (or sitting in a life-support zorb of some kind) that both lets you keep breathing and keep cool is pretty much the only way to survive an extended stay.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby Slayer3345 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:17 pm

You see, Physics is wonderful thing. It gives a lot of fun stuff, but it's also a pain in the butt as it doesn't allow us to do other things. This is one of those things that physics won't let us have fun with. Unless you have the prey cooled, fed, given oxygen, AND small enough to even get to the womb, which is impossible unless you're sperm sized or smaller.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby darthkomar » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:33 am

I think the issue of fitting all the way up someone's vagina and fitting inside their uterus should be addressed before trying to solve surviving up there...
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby Jacquelope » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:19 am

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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby 9kirby99 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:59 pm

smiley wrote:
Radijs wrote:What makes the diffrence though is, how much heat will you be able to shed.

Yes somewhere it can be hotter. That's when we sweat, the sweat evaporates wich takes a lot of heat away from our bodies.

Enveloped like that, water won't be able to evaporate.


But doesnt that mean that all unborn babys would die from overheating?


They don't sweat. Their mothers regulate their temperature, so they live in an optimal environment.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby darthkomar » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:35 pm

Blood is also exchanged between mother and child so the child receives cooled blood from their mother
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby Groblek » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:30 pm

darthkomar wrote:Blood is also exchanged between mother and child so the child receives cooled blood from their mother

Not quite - the placenta does allow some exchange of heat between mother and child, but their blood never mixes. One reason it's so dangerous for women to use a hot tub turned up high during pregnancy is that there's very little ability for the fetus to cool down if the mother's body gets too hot. However, assuming that you're able to breathe inside a womb after being unbirthed, you'd only be likely to overheat if you managed to exercise enough in there to raise your core temperature a lot. Her body will try and maintain the womb at body temp regardless of what's inside, and unless you're really active, you won't heat yourself up so much that your body can't equilibriate with your surroundings.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby tastyWeasel » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:57 pm

how long would it take to overheat? I mean if your pred isn't planning to kill you can't she just suck you all in except your face so you can breathe and let you out before your get too hot?
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby threk » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:14 am

tastyWeasel wrote:how long would it take to overheat? I mean if your pred isn't planning to kill you can't she just suck you all in except your face so you can breathe and let you out before your get too hot?

Yeah, assuming you find a woman stretchy enough or sufficiently larger than you, if you can still breathe you'd definitely have a while to have fun.
Breathing air from outside would keep you cool too, so if you're being given food & drink and don't get so active that you really start heating up, you could potentially stick there indefinitely. You'd probably be panting like hell after a while though.
Even if you were completely inside and we ignored the air-supply problem, the overheating issue would be slow unless you were so active you'd be getting hot under normal circumstances, so staying still would mean it could take a significant amount of time. (Can't estimate accurately of course, but over an hour at least I would have thought.) Pred activity should be irrelevant, as they have their own systems to keep internal organs constant temperatures.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby four_fleets » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:55 am

Has Anyone in this thread brought up the nonhuman possibility? There are plenty of animals certainly large enough that, with training and prior stretching. (I.E, having already given birth) that could accommodate nicely.

Cows for instance...
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby threk » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:59 am

four_fleets wrote:Has Anyone in this thread brought up the nonhuman possibility? There are plenty of animals certainly large enough that, with training and prior stretching. (I.E, having already given birth) that could accommodate nicely.

Cows for instance...


Ehh... While many species give birth to young proportionally larger than human young, a normally grown human would still prove too much of a challenge for most of them. An elephant could probably manage it, but I doubt a cow would be able to accommodate a young adult human, hell, multiple modern cattle breeds can't birth their own young without problems. It's due to the pelvis bones; they're rigid, and training won't change that.

This is purely hypothetical mind you (duh) as even if you got survival apparatus and had an elephant to hand, the ethical issues of shoving an adult human, willing or not, up a non-sapient animal should be clear.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby ShadowHawk » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:52 pm

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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby Jacquelope » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:08 am

Bah. Fairy magic. That's how I resolve that in my stories.

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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby Tornadochaser1 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:31 pm

I think that one of two things would happen. If the womb sees you as the offspring, it will do all it can to keep you alive. An umbilical chord would attach and a placenta would form, thus, you are being kept alive by the women, well, technically now, your mom, is providing all your needs.

The other result, it would see you as an invader, and would disslove you before you became a threat to the little ones who have yet to be born.

Best bet would be to have your own mother unbirth you since her womb recognized you as her offspring in the first place. Whether or not this would regress you in age would be anyone's guess.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby SoupsLewd » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:11 pm

Alright can we just end this here with that no, we would not survive being unbirthed no matter how large the animal. The Uterus is not meant to have anything smaller than the egg to come inside. Also Umbilical cords don't come from the womb, it's developed through the fetus and placenta. Unless you have a personal oxygen tank and are in a uterus big enough that it won't crush you, you would survive. Other than that, NOPE!!!
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby Adseria » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:06 pm

Tornadochaser1 wrote:I think that one of two things would happen. If the womb sees you as the offspring, it will do all it can to keep you alive. An umbilical chord would attach and a placenta would form, thus, you are being kept alive by the women, well, technically now, your mom, is providing all your needs.


This doesn't seem that likely when you consider that in real life, the humam placenta and umbilical cord take about a week to grow. By contrast, the world record for holding breath as of my google search a minute ago is 22 minutes and 22 seconds, and that's after hyperventilating pure oxygen. So unless you happen to have abnormally large lungs, or a Scuba tank that could provide enough air to last you for a week, or a neck strong enough to survive being crushed while you hold your head outside for the week, you'd probably die in about half an hour, max.

Of course, that's to say nothing of the difficulties involved in actually entering. Having not read the first post yet, I don't know if the original poster was talking about human or animal unbirth, but it probably doesn't make much difference. An average human wouldn't fit in a smaller animal, like a cat or dog, and larger animals tend to have longer gestation periods, so the umbilical would take even longer to grow. Then there's the fact that mammalian uteruses (uteri?) are designed to connect to something as it grows, not to attach to something that enters fully grown.

My point is, you could probably survive for a little while inside the uterus of a large animal like an elephant or whale, or maybe a horse, but only if you had a scuba tank, and even then probably only for a few hours. Anything smaller, of course, would be too large to fit the scuba tank, never mind the person.

Oh, and for those of you talking about being crushed by the womb, the ovaries alone are 1 foot in diameter.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby VelveteenDreams » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:56 am

Okay; take suffocation and overheating out of it, like in most vore scenarios. How does it end then. Be fair, people, if we bend the rules for Oral we can certainly bend it for UB.
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Re: Would we survive being unbirthed?

Postby dreamweevil » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:05 pm

Of course you'd survive it, depending on what you definition of "survive" is.

By definition, unbirthing is the reversal of the birthing process. So far, this thread is answering a different question: If you were shrunk down (we'll ignore the shrinking process and its survivability), and simply inserted into a woman's uterus via her vagina: yes, you'd die of suffocation within a few minutes.

Unbirthing, however, is much more than just insertion. It only makes sense that whatever causes the shrinking process begins other changes too, to prepare you for life (as it is) inside the womb, and to prepare that womb for your arrival.

The insertion part is just the main event -- and even that doesn't happen quickly. When it's time, she'll likely insert you feet-first, and fairly quickly swallow you up to your neck-- her vaginal muscles around your shoulders will hold you there while she rests. This addresses the "suffocation" problem: with your head sticking out from between her legs you can still breathe, perhaps with a little extra effort. Meanwhile, she completes the internal plumbing connections needed to sustain you. This might take many minutes. Markers in your blood, once they cross the placenta into her body with sufficient quantity, trigger the next stage of labor.

By the time she seals you up inside, she's breathing for you, keeping you alive. That's critical to any unbirthing scenario-- if she merely wanted to kill you to harvest your nutrients, there are far easier ways to do so. So you would "survive" -- for now.
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