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On Guilt Tripping and Other Shenanigans

Posted by Doku 13 years ago

 

Reflection #5 comes with a slightly greater personal feel to it, as it is one that has reached me at a personal level more often than the prior discussions. It is as much an observation of what I have seen done to others as it is an observation of my own personal experiences at Eka's. However, it includes more than a little of that slightly visceral sense that can only happen when someone has personally angered you somehow.

(To the handful and change who actually have officially been owed RP by me because I made a promise to you at some point, and then messed up and didn't pull it off: Heh, you know I am not talking to you below. I have failed and broken promises in the past. It's why I don't make them as easily anymore. That said, there's people who have guilt-tripped me and many others with far less cause.)

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Yesterday, we spoke of popularity, and in the process very briefly touched on something that is an old sore spot for me. The following discussion may be boiled down into the following vulgar and heated statement.

"No, I don't owe you a fucking RP."

The first hip-shot reaction at this point for many readers, though certainly not all, may be to say something along the lines of "Listen, you arrogant little shit. What do you think you are, god's gift to RP? Your character isn't even all that good..." And I would ask that for those of you who experienced that brief visceral reaction, that you kindly can it, shove it into your pantry and leave it there to rot and fester until the cockroaches won't even touch it. I don't need to hear it, and that is not what this is about, surprisingly enough.

The issue has everything to do with the tactic of whining, guilt-tripping, cajoling or pressuring other people to roleplay with you. This is not about a person who's a little too enthusiastic about the idea and asks one too many times. I have known most people in Eka's who I spoke with more than just for a singular RP who have, at some point, felt outright guilt-tripping to try and push them to RP. I have been told that many have claimed that So and So owes them an RP, for one reason or another. These reasons tend to boil down to "I've been waiting for 3 months, and they didn't say explicitly No, Never." And, when people would say "No, Never," "No, I don't like your character," or many derivations thereof, there may be accusations that they're being rude, mean-spirited or unfair in refusing.

Here's the newsflash, and if you didn't see this coming a mile away, there's not much I can do for you:
Unless someone has made a formal appointment with you for erotic roleplaying, they owe you absolutely nothing.

If they have made a formal agreement for an ongoing interaction, promises that indicate what types of RP they will do with that character, both with you and others, this is one thing. However, even in these cases it is best not to take such promises TOO seriously. 9 times out of 10, however, they don't "Owe" you an RP, and if you have ever actually gone so far as to say "You owe me," you have gone too far.

And, if you go on to browbeat them for refusing to RP with you, you're really going too far, and you're falling into a category of abusive behavior that causes players to leave Eka's constantly. This sort of bullshit is exactly the type of crap that makes people uncomfortable, when they are made to feel bad because they chose someone else, or didn't RP with you today when you really wanted one with them, or when you'd always wanted one with them.

Here's the reality: Roleplaying is a two-way street. That player on the other side of the RP? They are not a picture to jack off to. If you want a picture to jack off to, go to Danbooru or Gelbooru and look up pornography to your heart's content. They are not here for your personal entertainment, and neither are you here for their personal entertainment. They are here to entertain themselves, and you are here to entertain yourself. And, by the rules, you are supposed to be respectful of their choices and personal preferences regarding their moods. If they have a specific interest in mind, and your character just doesn't mesh, or your posting style is just not 'quite' clicking in their mind, for whatever reason, then they're going to need to keep looking and so will you. And neither of you "Owes" the other a damned thing.

I cannot stress this enough. No matter how many times I have sworn people out over this subject, there are always new players who seem convinced that they are 'entitled' to get an RP with someone, and who will go to great lengths to do so, including browbeating, manipulating, lying, insulting and guilt-tripping. Do you know what we call people who manipulate, browbeat, lie to and insult others while guilt-tripping them to get them to do something erotic for them?

Yeah... you don't want me to fill in that answer, do you? The thought of what I might actually say is just a little uncomfortable, isn't it?

Think on that.
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Imrhys

Posted by Imrhys 13 years ago Report

In my near three years around the chat I have met far too many long timers that have complaints about they lost the want/love to rp because of these sorts of people whining and crying at them and playing this game. It pains me every time I hear this story, but it is part of why I accepted being a mod/op too.

As you have stated in yesterday's blogs, take these complaints to the mods/ops. If the first one doesn't help, we are all human after all and sometimes we are not in any better a mood situation then you are, PUB others or Leshana directly. Just make sure to be ready with logs because we will want to see them. But this sort of subtle harassment has no place here, at the chat, or IRL. Just here is the only place we can directly control it (Yay internet).

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Doku

Posted by Doku 13 years ago Report

*nods* Agreed, Imrhys. This is definitely something that, in abuse cases, needs to reach the mods. Needless to say, I've taken a far more pro-active stance on the matter personally, but the posting is more for the teaching of those who may not even truly be aware of the permutations of their behavior.

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Ka-Atis

Posted by Ka-Atis 13 years ago Report

"You owe me" is a natural continuation of the "wanna be friends" thing you talked about earlier. When some random person who doesn't know me at all wants to make me his friend, I already sense the "but.. but.. I thought we were friends" guilt-tripping. It's the well-used strategy to make you do what they want instead of what you really want yourself.

But "You owe me" may also be caused by expectations the other player actually is guilty of. When somebody promises me a roleplay, and then all of a sudden quits, then I do have a certain "you owe me" sensation. Sure, I'll not force somebody else to roleplay with me, as such would only be a pain and no pleasure. But in case of an appointment I do think that the other player owes me an explanation, or at least an apology. Just running away from an appointment is something I consider as extremely low.

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Omega

Posted by Omega 13 years ago Report

One thing to keep in mind here is that part of this problem stems from A: Misunderstanding a non-comittal statement to be a comittment. Either mistakenly or deliberately. or B: sheer desperation to get a RP.

Its that desperation thing thats the infernal problem. And you see this 95% of the time from prey types.

Also one should allways try to keep seperate the mobbing clingy types who hound incessantly for RPs, vs the ones who are trying to guilt trip you into RPing with them via the above mentioned method.

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Doku

Posted by Doku 13 years ago Report

*nods* I've actually encountered both varieties, Omega, as you could probably guess by now. The desperate do not come looking to me quite as often anymore, but the clingy, guilt-tripping types have all but evaporated as of late. I tore into a few of them at one point for the guilt trips, and it seemed to scare others away. However, the issues at work in both types are actually quite different as I think you hint at, and as such they need to be handled differently. Guilt-tripping types I cut far less slack for than the desperate. I may not be interested in RPing with the desperate as much, but I understand their desire, and am more willing to converse with them and see their interests if mine happen to mesh.

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