Disgusted by such an amount you want to leave the fetish?

[Eka]

Buh bye, enjoy your child porn

A false claim. As simple as that. Fictional drawing is perfectly legal in the state of California. It is not considered Child pornography. You shouldn't make accusations when you don't understand American law.

No matter how many times and how many people try to slanders and lies. It still doesn't make it true. This site does not have any child pornography and complies with all law in the State of California.

[Cuddlekins]

Buh bye, enjoy your child porn

I'll make sure to add extra lolis to my next story in your memory.

[jaggedjagd]

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[mZmm]

It doesn't matter if you personally don't see your content as sexual, other people who find it are going to and you're responsible for it. Vore is a fetish.

Buh bye, enjoy your child porn

A false claim. As simple as that. Fictional drawing is perfectly legal in the state of California. It is not considered Child pornography. You shouldn't make accusations when you don't understand American law.

No matter how many times and how many people try to slanders and lies. It still doesn't make it true. This site does not have any child pornography and complies with all law in the State of California.

Don't you live in Canada? You said in DMs "I follow the law in my country." Which is it? California or whatever mystery country you were referring to here?

As long as people like Odinboy666 are still allowed to post here, I'm just gonna assume you're complicit in pedophilia and probably won't even remove the content if/when there would be laws against it. You KNOW what you're hosting is wrong, or you wouldn't be shouting "it's not technically illegal!!" every time somebody brings it up.

That's all I'm gonna say on this, besides dropping a post from my friend Zdarlight that is very relevant:

I'm sure I'm basically just going to be shouting into the void since pretty much everyone here has seemingly made up their mind that CP is the hill they want to die on, but...

Both child pornography and child sexual abuse levels are at very high levels in the U.S. right now. Both have been described by officials as "epidemic level". The amount of pedophilia in the U.S. right now is "unprecedented" according to an FBI official.

Even putting the very real practice of grooming aside, which you are correct in that more normal porn can be used to accomplish that as well, multiple studies have pointed to a definite connection between the consumption of child pornography and child sexual abuse. Even if not 100% of consumers of child pornography end up abusing children, the proliferation of that kind of content normalizes and contributes to the massive increase of real child sexual abuse.

Some links you might find interesting:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/child-porn-ep ... d=23807789
http://time.com/3978236/american-children-sold-sex/
http://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcont ... cholarship

[Siorche]

I do complete and total separation of fantasy and reality, so no, not really. I do hear a lot of complaints about blakclists and whitelists and those will always be woes. To hibbyjibbys points, all art communities seem to be like that. Deviantart even has "porn artist hunters" that go around trolling artist's pages and trying to hack them and/or in general just being a huge nuisance. No community is perfect, no community will ever be perfect. There's so many people with different tastes and personalities, it's impossible for everyone to get along with eachother. I'm not a fan of 'what if vore was real' threads either or other tiring topics that just get bumped over and over, but it's there, so I just mostly avoid the forum.

For artists who produce content that you only dislike, there is the disinterest filter https://github.com/Petschko/EkasPortalDisinterestFilter so it's pretty easy in THAT sense to avoid content you don't like if someone just produces only that for you. I wouldn't call the community hugboxy, but how do you tell someone 'nicely' that you don't like their art or that you think it's bad? Sometimes comments aren't even read too-and being a jerk is against the rules and will get you a smack. So it's better to just click away and ignore it. Of course there's always going to be 'bad' content, but if we stifled everything and everyone we saw as 'bad' it'd halt the progress of those who want to get better.

I've only ever seen one thing that has disgusted me beyond belief and that was a drawing of a real event that I find the act of doing utterly reprehensible and disgusting to have fetishized and will forever hold a grudge against the person who created it for doing it. But I wouldn't leave over it, there's a lot of nice people here scattered all around- you just have to look and make friends!

[Merodi]

I'm pretty sure that in the US at least, it's only CP if it's either an actual, real life kid being photographed/filmed or a real life kid being drawn or written about. That's why Shadman got into legal trouble, for drawing Keemstar's daughter in sexual contexts, not for his loli art. Else, a lot of YA books wouldn't be able to get published since teen characters have sex in them, a bunch of manga and anime wouldn't be allowed to be published in the states and sites like Archive of our Own wouldn't allow smut of minors. Like, you can think of it what you want, but it's not illegal or prosecuted in most cases, unless you have actual CP as well.
Law in my country is similar, and unless you have literal, actual CP as well, nobody will care. IIRC, one of the biggest erotic novels ever written in my country has some graphic sex scenes between minors and it's been translated into multiple languages and has been around since 1906.

Anyways, back to the topic after that legal thing!
Not really? Sure, the gross sexualization of ACTUAL, real life kids and animals fucks me up (you know, taking pictures of kids on the beach, writing stories to go along them, that's also common with TF fetish and foot fetish though) and I report those whenever I see them on dA, mostly, and this subset of straight guys in the kink who hit on every girl and get mad if she doesn't like them even though they share a kink annoys me, but otherwise?
I don't really have to interact with the community that much, I can enjoy my vore in peace.

[coop500]

Well that went to Hell in a handbasket quick.... Oh well, sorry for 'starting' that

[Eka]

Subject: Disgusted by such an amount you want to leave the fetish?

It doesn't matter if you personally don't see your content as sexual, other people who find it are going to and you're responsible for it. Vore is a fetish.

I agree, except "and you're responsible for it". No. I'm not responsible for your action. If you don't want to run into the material you don't want to see. You should be the one avoiding it. I should not be held responsible for creating it.

Don't you live in Canada? You said in DMs "I follow the law in my country." Which is it? California or whatever mystery country you were referring to here?

First. Don't bring up personal information about other people. Not cool. I don't mind but you should not make a habit out of doing this. As it is against the rule to post private conversation and/or personal information publically on this site or anywhere else.

Second. What actually matters in the context of this server is where the server is. Saying I follow the law of my country doesn't suddenly means I ignore the law in another country.

Also, the law specifically is 18 U.S. Code [*]§ 2256. Please read it.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

As long as people like Odinboy666 are still allowed to post here, I'm just gonna assume you're complicit in pedophilia

What you assume means nothing to me. Your failure to understand U.S. Law code is your problem. Not mine.

and probably won't even remove the content if/when there would be laws against it.

Again. That is pure accusation. My stance is a direct depiction from the law. Not the other way around.

That's all I'm gonna say on this, besides dropping a post from my friend Zdarlight that is very relevant:

I'm sure I'm basically just going to be shouting into the void since pretty much everyone here has seemingly made up their mind that CP is the hill they want to die on, but...

Both child pornography and child sexual abuse levels are at very high levels in the U.S. right now. Both have been described by officials as "epidemic level". The amount of pedophilia in the U.S. right now is "unprecedented" according to an FBI official.

Even putting the very real practice of grooming aside, which you are correct in that more normal porn can be used to accomplish that as well, multiple studies have pointed to a definite connection between the consumption of child pornography and child sexual abuse. Even if not 100% of consumers of child pornography end up abusing children, the proliferation of that kind of content normalizes and contributes to the massive increase of real child sexual abuse.

Some links you might find interesting:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/child-porn-ep ... d=23807789
http://time.com/3978236/american-children-sold-sex/
http://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcont ... cholarship

If you actually spent the time to read those study*, at all, you will find that every single one of them have major problem(s):

• Two out of three of those links are not actual studies.
• Which, specifically talking about REAL CHILDREN. Which, is, surprisingly. Actually illegal. And we do not allow them.
• The last one, specifically talking about CGI that creates pornography that is indistinguishable from real. We also do not allow them.
• Last, and most importantly, it study the effect on registered sex offenders. Which means people in the study are already criminal before any impact of Vitural Child Porn are in question.

Finally, a study that argues something being wrong doesn't make it wrong. It just means there is a disagreement. It is perfectly okay to have a disagreement, but it is basically lying to call it "Fact".

I would love to have an intelligent and rational discusison on this, but so far you have not shown any rationality.

[jaime]

What people need to understand about fictional underage stuff is that it can be used as a way of achieving mastery over traumatic childhood experiences. You can't just assume that everyone who produces or consumes illustrated sexual content of fictional children is expressing desire to have sex with a child. First of all, you don't know whether the emotion they're expressing in that production or consumption even is desire. Not all sexual lust is desire. Lust can be fear, anxiety, shame. Hatred. Anyone who's been raped understands that perfectly well. And secondly, whatever the emotion they're expressing may be, you can't be sure it necessarily concerns being with a child. Maybe it concerns being a child. Finally, though I'm out of my element in discussing this last case as it does not apply to me, let's assume for the sake of argument that someone in particular who produces or consumes illustrated child erotica is expressing a desire to have sex with a child. It's then nonsense to conflate that desire with the actual act of having sex with a child. It's equally nonsensical to suggest it necessarily points to a dangerous inclination to pursue that act in real life.

My point isn't that anyone should tolerate this kind of content. By all means, be disgusted by it, and get it out of your face. But you shouldn't just go assuming things about the people who make it just because you find it understandably upsetting to look at.

Returning to my initial argument -- that illustrated child erotica can be a way of achieving mastery over traumatic childhood experiences -- one might retort that this line of reasoning might just as well be used to justify real child porn, or even child abuse. While I concede this, consider: illustrated child erotica is victimless, whereas child porn and child abuse are not. Furthermore, real child porn and child abuse both unquestionably demonstrate or stoke an actual intention and desire to have sex with a child, whereas illustrated child erotica, as already discussed, does not. So, in cases where real child porn or child abuse might be used as a means of achieving mastery over traumatic childhood experiences, this is categorically in addition to the pedophilic motivation, not instead, whereas the same does not categorically hold true for illustrated child erotica.

TL;DR: bugger off will ya, me pa touched me bum

edit: And I'm not just speaking for myself here either. I've heard similar stories from other artists.

[Sum1]

So, let's re-rail the thread. Again.

The only times I've been trully disgusted with the fetish was when I saw some Tumblr vore blogs that simply rebloged pictures of fat men or women, or even pregnant women, and, without their consent, added "vore captions", which were often explicit and involved things like digestion and scat, sometimes even incest. I remember one guy sent an ask to one of these blogs asking him to stop, saying he found it disturbing, and the vore blogger replied something along the lines of "so what? I'm sure some people find your stuff (explicit pictures of himself) disturbing too".

I'm fine with people who depict hard vore, scat, shota/loli (let's not get into that here again, open a new thread if you wanna discuss that), etc., but I'm certainly NOT okay with taking pictures of REAL PEOPLE without their consent and writting explicit fetish porn about them. That's not cool.

[Speedyblupi]

II'm just gonna assume you're complicit in pedophilia and probably won't even remove the content if/when there would be laws against it. You KNOW what you're hosting is wrong, or you wouldn't be shouting "it's not technically illegal!!" every time somebody brings it up.

That's stupid.

1. There is nothing wrong with paedophilia, as long as it is not acted upon in the real world. In the same way, the desire to kill people is not harmful in a video game or a story, but is harmful in the real world.

2. Acknowledging that some people want to prevent you from doing something does not somehow mean they are right to want to prevent you from doing that thing. A lot of ranting idiots seem to think this site has CP on it, or that it breaks the law, neither of which is does.

There is no porn of real children on this site (that the mods know of, and if it's found it will be removed). That's where the distinction goes - between reality and fiction.

[Speedyblupi]

And, to keep this conversation "on the rails":

I don't want to "leave the fetish" because of what other people post. Occasionally the volume of things I'm not interested in does irritate me a little bit, and I will often try looking on a different site when that happens, and sometimes I want to look at stuff that's not vore.

But I don't really get what "leave the fetish" is supposed to mean. We can't choose what we're sexually attracted to. Vorarephiles aren't somehow representing each other either, we're just a bunch of totally different people who happen to have one paraphilia in common. I don't ever feel like I want to "leave manhood" because some dumb man beats his wife or "leave whiteness" because of alt-right nutcases waving tiki torches. Even if you don't want to associate with a group built around a shared trait, it doesn't mean you stop having that trait. Leaving the community is possible, and I assume that's what you meant, but even if I do leave for a while due to boredom or frustration I'll always keep coming back here to see if anything new is happening.

[tigercloud]

There's actually laws in the US against cartoon child porn as well. I'm offended by child porn, not vore. Maybe y'all should leave if you're offended by what I'm saying.

It's also against the law in Germany, as far I know, even looking at such stuff can bring you trouble...

But on the other hand drawn child-chars in porn are okay in some other countries (while drawn chars are ethically okay IMO, since nobody got hurt/emotionally abused) - But I'm not a fan of this either

I just suggest to add the "loli", "loli pred", "loli prey" and "child(*)" Tags on your Blacklist, then they will not displayed, since the newest gallery update, they are also hidden in the Message Box now!^^

Edit: Yes, as Renael mentioned, it's super easy to hide Artists, which create content you not like, for example Loli-Stuff, just check it out, then you have a 2nd layer of avoiding Loli-Stuff altogether: https://github.com/Petschko/EkasPortalDisinterestFilter

So Blacklist the tags and use the Script and you see almost no Loli-Stuff anymore (Except someone doesn't tag it with Loli and isn't on your Blocklist)