M Pred hate, from a M Pred fan's perspective

[Dekkard2]

In general, people do think it is easier to draw females than males.
On top of that a lot of people also draw anime, which often by itself has men with more lean bodies than bulky and muscled. If you go through art on deviantart, tumblr, instagram or basically anywhere else, there is a huge majority in female pictures too. I think there are more artists specialized in drawing slim, curvy and elegant bodies than harsh, rugged and toned.

These might also be factors why its more rare to find strong bulky or fat (dad body) preds than femboys and "pretty" boys.

Yeah there's so much variety in the shapes of muscles and shading muscles is kind of a pain in the ass. That's why I kind of gave up drawing men.

[jaggedjagd]

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[Dekkard2]

I personally happen to think that pudgy men with big potbellies are the absolute best~

I have no idea why you’d assume nobody is into them.

On an side note, guys with facial hair are very underrated...

Right?! Ignoring the whole assumption there, I honestly love pudgy men, and a pot belly is just a huge bonus , super underrated. As for facial hair, I totally agree! There's just something super mature and charming about it that I just love! (I'd love to talk more about it in general, but pm's might be a better place then this forum, aha)

No fattys or dad bods though right?

I personally happen to think that pudgy men with big potbellies are the absolute best~

I have no idea why you’d assume nobody is into them.

On an side note, guys with facial hair are very underrated...

I always assume most of the negativity towards heavysets based on how most women online talk negatively about them and how gross they are. I'm heavy and generally get overlooked or looks of disgust even though I'm at least clean. I even have a beard to cover up my double chin. Then again this isn't a normie site so I should know better. Sorry for the rambling.

[Chofeiyu]

HELLS YEAH Fellow Fat Daddy Fans!


Although most Bear/Bara types tend to be catering to gay guys more so than straight girls. Anime dudes & prettyboys are generally more popular. Though I suppose it's not that different for women, BBW and cougars tends to be the exception over young supermodel looking girls.

Preach! Well I'll admit I do love cute boys, and have more or less avoided talking abut these types of men since it seems to be for lack of a better term srt of frowned upon, I do LOVE the whole sort of "bear type" as well. I just find it to be a really attractive sort of man. Always been a fan of cuter softer features, but this is a nice twist, and it's for sure softer, but also very much so more mature at the same time, and I just love that! And to sort of touch up on that last bit, very much a fan of cougars personally, as well as Bbw (and BHM, naturally).

(Sorry if I got a little off topic there, aha. I am trying, it's just a really compelling subject, aha)

[Verilo]

And of course, there's also backlash against M/M, though in a different way. Of course, homophobia especially applies here, by either gender. Cause apparently two girls doing anything together is "hot" but with guys its "wrong"? Who knows.

This goes both ways, so men aren't entirely at fault when this phenomenon is brought up.

As a stupid teenager, I thought "two women = totally sexy" because it was just more of what I already liked. I didn't like men, so "two men = totally not sexy" became the logical conclusion. I was never overtly homophobic, but the society I grew up in made homosexuality out to be a thing of ridicule, so I internalized those jokes. I never wanted to hunt people down because of their sexuality. Even extremely recently when my ex came out to me as bisexual, I had a moment where I was processing this. Shamefully, there was that old specter of fetishizing what I had heard, but that was more a result of the shock* than something I consciously carried around with me.

I've found that women are exactly the same in that regard. You would not believe the number of times I've seen women attribute the same "two men = totally sexy" thing to their interests while being vehemently "two women = totally not sexy". Yaoi and the "one true pairings" made that abundantly clear.

So really, I scratch this up to shortsighted youth.

* By "shock", I mean this not as an "I'm offended", but because I met her in church and I therefore didn't anticipate something like this coming up.

[windsweptcave]

Kiiiinda starting to understand the OP's concern about "blowing up," now.

If you're upset about something completely different from the topic, maybe make a new topic about it. That's not "stifling discussion." It's just you not derailing the conversation out of defensiveness.

Also, for people who are upset about being called out on saying "I wish you would make X instead." Imagine a guy walking up to you unprompted and saying, "Wow, I wish you had green eyes. You'd be so much hotter." He may have not any ill intent, but it's still creepy as hell. Just don't. There's no reason to. End of story.

[GreenEyesDarkHeart]

I get it all the time
People are always asking me to roleplay as my female prey character as a pred for their male prey..

Even though my profile states that I don't do F/m at all ( profile is down at the moment but it did mention that I didn't do any of that content)

I even had an F list posted for my only female character saying she wouldn't be eating any guys..

Sometimes people just don't read and when I say no get arsey or beg me to change my mind.

[DreamyGalaxy]

I have been trying to RP again and I stopped because I kept facing the same issue. No one wanted to rp with a Female human prey or they would like me to change. I sometimes find people but usually they want me to do fatal, which I'm really not into but, I'll do it just for the chance to RP with someone again. I really wish most of the art here wasn't just F/M but you can't change everyone. I would totally want to post art to fill that void I know many other female preys feel but, I'm so afraid to be caught by someone I know in real life, heh. Being into vore is such a struggle heh..

[Krono]

People will always hate that which they themselves do not enjoy.

Straight male prey here. I do prefer female preds as well. I couldn't care less if you like and want more content that fits your preferences. We are all the same in that regard.

It's unfortunate that there is backlash over anything here really. Personal preferences over a fictitious fantasy especially one so obscure and dare I say it, "weird" as this one is, are going to be different. There's no way around it.

Don't fret about a vocal few obnoxiously slandering anyone else's preferences. Nobody is here looking to get worked up. We all come here to satisfy our own preferences. I would just put them in the same situation they are putting you in each time and hope that gets through to them. Otherwise ignore them.

Spoiler: show

P.S. I may be swayed to devour a pretty girl or two..

[minakotomoka14]

I'm totally with you guys on this. I am rather new to the vore community, joining only about two years ago, but as a girl who is predominantly M/F exclusive, I've seen a lot of things during my time here. Although I haven't experienced any of the horrible things many of my friends and other fellow M/F fans have, believe me, I have had my fair share of experiences. It's annoying when I spend weeks working on an M/F story with characters and scenarios I love, only for it to get meager views and faves, but if I post a crappy F-pred roleplay I wrote with one of my friends, the faves, views, and comments go through the roof. Of course, I love any kind of appreciation of my work, but it's disheartening to see a story I worked hard on and put a lot of passion into get swept away by something I put nearly no effort into.

Believe it or not, many of the experiences I've had came from my best friend's Discord server, from people I know. One time, I posted a picture of a male character I liked and talked all about how I enjoyed them being pred, only for someone to butt in and spout "It would be better if (certain female character from the same series) was a pred," or something like that. Another time, I posted a picture of a male giant, and while a friend and I were talking about it, someone else shoved in a giantess pic "for balance" as she put it. There's been many instances of things like this, mostly small, yet annoying encounters, but the most recent example was when I posted some of YoukaiChan's artwork, and this one girl said something like "She's the one who never does female giants, right?" I tried to defend the artist, saying that male preds were what she specialized in, and she was allowed to have her own preferences, but that soon escalated into a debate about why YoukaiChan didn't draw giantess, how they wished she drew giantess, crap like that, and when my best friend (the admin) finally stepped in to calm things down, the girl who started it played victim and got all pissy, whining about how she was just stating that was what the artist did, even when we all knew what she really meant. I've had plenty of these encounters, even from people I considered friends. I've gotten passive-aggressive meanness, having my prefs put down or shoved to the side, or even being teased and mocked for liking male preds, always in subtle, smartass ways just to take a jab at me.

And you know what I've noticed? At least from my experience, it seems like female F-pred fans are way more aggressive toward male pred lovers than male F-pred fans. They deliberately use passive-aggressive tactics to either deny or put down your preferences, such as doing things like what I mentioned above. When they do stuff like that to me, it makes me angry, but when I try to speak up, they suddenly make it seem like I'm the bad guy for speaking my mind, when they know damn well what they're doing. The superiority complexes on these people are simply stunning, and it infuriates me. Of course, I know not all female pred fans are like this. In fact, many of my best friends are F-pred lovers, and they've never tried to shame me or take a jab at me for what I like. I'm just sharing my thoughts and experiences on the matter.

I really do hope things can become better for male pred fans of all kinds, and people can just learn general respect. If you're not a jerk to me, then I won't be a jerk to you, simple as that. We're already in a fetish that is harshly judged from the outside, and we don't need to be divided any more by stupid, pointless infighting.

[lyingunderfire]

Sorry if I am treading on already traveled waters, but I believe this is much deeper than just a distaste for male preds. I have been noticing that ANY male erotica, tasteful, artistic, or what have you, gets massive amounts of heat. I love the male form so I go out looking for artists depicting it such that it attracts me. Vore or not. Something I have also noticed throughout my searches is that I never see the reverse happening. So it must be something deeper. Based off of what I have skimmed from this topic, I am siding with those guessing it is related to homophobia against gay men.

[Saying something like "the shading is shit" is one thing. Saying "EW! Males?! Yuck!" is another. The former is at least criticism, although harsh. The latter simply does not need to be said. I will never understand those who wish to express that on artist's posts.]

[Scrumptious]

I won't lie, what you're doing is rather underhanded here. You fully acknowledge that you made an error in your statement, in fact you were told several times exactly what it was, then given a comparison, then told another time to boot. To put it bluntly, you've gone to this post as Raneal perfectly stated and kicked your own point in the butt. "I'm totally agreeing with you! But it would be cool if you girls where preds!". To top it off, in a pretty needlessly sexual manner. And heck, you even acknowledge that. But then you double back on that and play it off. And before I get into that, did you really just take their fictional example comparison as a literal one for one? Because that's honestly setting off some alarms. Anyhow, the double back. You keep dropping back to these comments that more or less seem to say the same thing, over and over. "Well if you don't like what I said, leave." But you put it up as this sort of front like you're helping somebody? "If you can't handle little ol harmless me, then maybe you shouldn't be here, tee hee!". You have this mindset of, "Other people act worse, so what I'm doing is okay!", and that's simply not the case. Don't play off people's complaints like that, and especially not in some sort of manner like you're doing us a favour. The next thing is, you keep going back to people attacking you for your own preferences, which is confusing. Nobody is doing that. Some people just got upset on the statement that you yourself admitted was just wrong in general. It's frustrating as heck to keep reading you phrase what's happening as you being some helping hand getting bitten for no reason other then your preferences. People agree'd with most of what you said. They were just upset by the gross unnecessary comment. That is literally it.

Nobody has any issues with you being in the discussion at all. Just be mindful of what you say.

You're right. Thank you for setting me straight.

[jack27]

This is not just a problem with vore. It is a thing with porn in general. I am bi, and whilst I find it easy to find stuff that caters to my interest in females. Stuff involving guys is rather bad in general. Much of this is down to preference though. They cater to demand. I don't think there is some conspiracy on those hating on male preds. I have found a lot of good content here involving male preds, though admitably not as many as female preds. But I think that is more down to the individual artist's choice to make that content, rather then the community being toxic towards people who are into that thing. I've never experienced anyone here judging me for my interests.

[BigBellyGuy]

As a male pred, I've always chalked it up to the fact that we have more male preds than anything else, when female preds have the highest demand. I know it's annoying when your readying rp requests, and they find them to be perfect, then turn around and discover they are something you're not at all attracted to. It's a real let down.

[Seelane]

Hello everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if this blows up in my face, but I'm here to raise awareness.

I am a straight female with a very heavy prey leaning. I never play a pred unless it's with one of my OCs. Of course, people in my position will probably fantasize more about guys. I love my M Preds. Personally, they're the only preds that I ever do anything with. Nothing is wrong with F Preds, because I understand that many people are in different situations, leanings, etc... but here's the issue.

If you're a girl who goes into the chatrooms here, most people automatically assume you're a giantess/a pred. If you write or draw anything with a male pred, people will comment saying they'd like it way more if it was a female pred instead. Let me say this right now, these things are rather disrespectful. In my time here, I've seen M Preds get so much negativity. I've also heard people say that M Preds don't get negativity.

I have female friends who have been harassed to play a pred. I have friends who get passive aggressive comments saying that they wish their works had a female pred instead of a male. People get upset at M Pred people for defending our stances when they're put down in one form or another... but of course we're going to defend ourselves. We're not going to stay quiet about our preferences. We're not going to let people put down what we prefer. That's not what this site is for. This site is for discussing what we like to see and sharing content that involves things we like. So don't expect us to keep our heads down and stay quiet if someone claims that F Preds are superior in every way. I'm tired of the mentality that only female preds truly matter.

I know people are going to claim that this isn't really an issue. People are going to say that I'm manufacturing drama. This is a real issue, though, and I'm not going to let it be swept under the rug any longer. This is not an attack on those who prefer female preds. This is a defense for male preds, and a signal boost that this is an issue that has gone ignored for the most part.

If you have experiences like mine or additions to the topic, discuss them here. The more people who share their experiences, the more people will realize that this is an issue. Please! Keep things civil! No preference bashing or finger-pointing! And thank you for reading this if you got this far.

I wonder when people will realize that not everybody want to be pred and that for both sex, prey is way more popular. Also I don't think male pred is hated upon, its just less common due to the fact that less artists that have a gallery are into that. But the audience is definitely here and is big. Give it another 2 years and you will see a major increase in male preds art. As for the creeps who harrassed your friends to be pred, its not because of a hate but more because of the fact that their creeps who don't understand that they are not the center of the world and people have different tastes.

[pudgepire]

I wonder when people will realize that not everybody want to be pred and that for both sex, prey is way more popular. Also I don't think male pred is hated upon, its just less common due to the fact that less artists that have a gallery are into that. But the audience is definitely here and is big. Give it another 2 years and you will see a major increase in male preds art. As for the creeps who harrassed your friends to be pred, its not because of a hate but more because of the fact that their creeps who don't understand that they are not the center of the world and people have different tastes.

It definitely gets hated on quite a bit. You go in a server and post something mpred and people bash it and say it's bad and to "get that gay shit out of here" and they whine and complain and tell you to leave because you don't post their exact likes. Happens in a lot of vore spaces. You get an artist that primarily does F/? content and posts one Mpred sequence and a bunch of comments saying "ew why are you posting guys???" "i'm not gay, i don't want to see this" "unwatching because you're posting guys now". Hell, I've had people tell me they're unwatching because I posted a couple of mpred pieces in my slew of fpred pics in my gallery. Just because you havne't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Chameleonette]

I wonder when people will realize that not everybody want to be pred and that for both sex, prey is way more popular. Also I don't think male pred is hated upon, its just less common due to the fact that less artists that have a gallery are into that. But the audience is definitely here and is big. Give it another 2 years and you will see a major increase in male preds art. As for the creeps who harrassed your friends to be pred, its not because of a hate but more because of the fact that their creeps who don't understand that they are not the center of the world and people have different tastes.

I've seen the hate and rude/condescending attitude toward male preds (and M/F) now for the five years since I've been involved with this fetish. It does exist, and quite extensively in some cases, whether everyone has seen it or not. I've always been deep into this circle and stayed deep, since I've never run away from the slew of bad comments, harassment, etc. And while things have gotten gradually better over the years, this is absolutely a problem that needed awareness. As was mentioned above, it's rampant in art comments (most especially of those who often do f pred and switch it up a bit), and people can and will become hostile toward preferences they don't agree with, dislike, or even strongly despise---which very often reflects back on male preds. They might be more accepted in furry communities and places like FA, but that's just one piece of the whole. There's a long way to go. And I'm glad this had some light shed upon it. Reading the comments in this thread, it's plain to see that many people have not just seen the hate, but experienced it firsthand.

[dragonslavegirl]

I've been through hate.

So many times that I've grown practically numb to it.

I'm a female prey.

For most of the part rarely do I ever play a predator and when I do it's a male character.

And I'm saying really because before when you're a switch sometimes you don't always get to play the prey as much as you would like.

But that's beside the point.

Starting out on this whole site I've got nothing but shamed, hatred and all sorts of mean comments about my likes and dislikes including on my preferences on predators.

Just like many people have said before
everybody has a different type of kink.

Not everybody you're going to come across has the same.

So my advice to you is just tell them this what I usually end up telling them to.

Grow the beep up! (Fill in the beep)

Because I can I don't mind if you have a preference that's your deal just like I have mine.

But it shouldn't give anyone the right to shame you for having them.

Heck I've had people shame me for my role playing style that is old stuff because I don't RP on this site anymore because of well real life scheduling I usually stick to other formats to RP on.

So yeah I was pissed off I even felt like I was being shamed.

But I'm not going to let that kill my love of role-playing.

just like every time somebody says "oh you like male Predators! ew..."
I'm just going to give them the digital middle finger and move along.
And if they don't like it tough I'm going to do me.
And they can do them.
That's my New year's resolution for this type of BS.

[dragonslavegirl]

but right now I say there is one male pred that every fangirl is in love with.

his fav color is red he loves the radio and he is from HELL.

that sexy serial killer/overlord
THE RADIO STRAWBERRY DADDY PIMP......

"AL...ASTOR.......!!!!!"
(Alastor!)

[LightDragon]

As of my personal experience, I'm rather happy to note that 2 of my 3 most read stories involve M/F, and I never recieved any negative comment for this ^^

I would say the problem is not specifically about male preds, it's about people who can't distantiate themselves from their fantasies. I have the impression that when I first got into vore, like 15 years ago, it was something rather "shameful", and people knew they were not supposed to fully get into it, or maybe people were just more mature than today. Today it seems like vore has gotten more acceptable (at least in the eyes of vorarephiles themselves), so more people get too much into it and, as a result, have a very strong dislike of what they don't like.
What I mean is that, 15 years ago, it was normal not to be attracted by vore art : I mean, one was not supposed to like vore anyway. Today, some people tend to think that vore art published by authors is supposed to correspond exactly to their tastes (which is... true in some ways, especially with things like patreons and the like), so they think the author's post is supposed to tell them what they should like.
TL;DR : stupid people are too much into this

I guess one cool thing about being observer is that, since you don't project yourself directly in the scenes, it is easier to accept things that you don't like.