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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby fixated1 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:28 am

whizbang18 wrote:
In the end, I don't see Twitter's potential demise having much impact on the vore community. It's when THIS SITE, and other servers that are actually dedicated to vore being shut down or subjected to lawsuits by more radical elements of feminists (I'm not a far right or men's rights/MGTOW/Incel shithead BTW) or other far-left or far-right activists that I would begin to worry. There are other places to go and I'm sure enough fans would get together and rebuild elsewhere. I DO hope there are alternatives to Eka's IN CASE it gets shut down. I don't like us putting all our eggs in one basket.

My final thoughts for now on this is that we should be careful about exposing ourselves to the outside world on this subject as we don't want to be subjected to tsunamis of negative attention.


That was a weird place to take it. I don't even know what wokism means anymore. I guess just liberal? It's conservatives and conservative Christians that try to ban sexual stuff though. Feminists aka people that think women deserve to not suffer prejudice or unfair treatment, try to empower women to not be ashamed of sex. I'm sorry I'm getting political at a very low level, but it's important to know the basic principles of each group when we're on a site that could easily become a target.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Doku » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:16 pm

Twitter was always an insecure website with questionable tracking practices, long before Elon Musk entered the picture. It has always had policies that make being a fetish artist difficult on the site, and posting art there problematic at best with potentially bigger consequences if things go rotten. I have never regretted more a choice to spend about a year on that site engaging in RP. it was an ill informed decision regardless of any enjoyment I received briefly. Elon Musk taking over makes the site less secure, more problematic and has put it in a deeply troubling tailspin of bad decisions which may result in a serious issue for the company going forward. It may or may not recover. Give that 2 years to really pin down.

In the long run? It does nothing for or against fetishists for it to be gone. That's what sites like this are for. Public, general websites, even ones like Deviantart, are always going to be hit and miss at best for artists of this fetish. Stick to areas where you're not in questionable water with the policies of the site.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby RavenousRaziya » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:22 am

Fuck Twitter. We've got this site, FurAffinity, Pivix, et cetera.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby SleepySloth » Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:14 pm

Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby ryanshowseason3 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:36 am

SleepySloth wrote:Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.



More than half the staff gone, fired in a single day.

Investors abandon

CEO sends an email telling all employees work overtime or quit with a generous severance.

A feature that removes all platform integrity is released for an hour of minimum wage per month.

You: Just a flesh wound

I truly wish I had your optimism.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Ixtili » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:35 am

fixated1 wrote:
whizbang18 wrote:
In the end, I don't see Twitter's potential demise having much impact on the vore community. It's when THIS SITE, and other servers that are actually dedicated to vore being shut down or subjected to lawsuits by more radical elements of feminists (I'm not a far right or men's rights/MGTOW/Incel shithead BTW) or other far-left or far-right activists that I would begin to worry. There are other places to go and I'm sure enough fans would get together and rebuild elsewhere. I DO hope there are alternatives to Eka's IN CASE it gets shut down. I don't like us putting all our eggs in one basket.

My final thoughts for now on this is that we should be careful about exposing ourselves to the outside world on this subject as we don't want to be subjected to tsunamis of negative attention.


That was a weird place to take it. I don't even know what wokism means anymore. I guess just liberal? It's conservatives and conservative Christians that try to ban sexual stuff though. Feminists aka people that think women deserve to not suffer prejudice or unfair treatment, try to empower women to not be ashamed of sex. I'm sorry I'm getting political at a very low level, but it's important to know the basic principles of each group when we're on a site that could easily become a target.

You'd be surprised at how against even fictional depictions of sex feminism is these days. That's not to say there aren't people who believe in sex positive feminism but it's not the most popular form in this day and age. If you believe in sex positive feminism you believe in an older form of the movement that still exists but isn't mainstream.

You're right that conservative Christians are as sex averse as ever, but they never had a monopoly on hating sex and likely never will. Personally I think the only good part of feminist ideology is the bit about equal rights and opportunities. The philosophy and discussion that exists in the movement: I.e, the idea that male sexuality is inherently belittling to women or that women who display sexual characteristics are essentially asking to be demeaned. Is controlling nonsense. At least when applied to fictional instances of boobs and such. Everything in feminist discourse is based on the assumption that women are under the thumb and men are out to get them. And while there's likely an element of truth in there somewhere. It's really not that cut and dry.

Now if someone decides to rape someone IRL solely based on their level of overt sexuality, feminism can try and correct that "narrative" all they like. But erasing the sexy of fictional characters from the 90s isn't going to do jack about that. And the weird Twitter "activists" who identify with the feminist label need to stop pretending it will do something just cause it's easier to berate people online than it is to tell an actual rapist to keep their hands to themselves.

Porn isn't inherently bad, there are instances of porn that were created immorally. But something being sexy isn't necessarily the same as indecency. A person for instance can be sexy even with all the important bits covered are we just going to start putting paper bags on those peoples heads? Hide them away from the light? Stop them from taking advantage of their beauty to model just cause some teenager maybe has a chance of better self esteem? (They don't by the way, they're a teenager).

Modern Feminism often talks like it can prevent human nature by teaching people not to do the bad thing. But it's not teaching anyone anything it's just removing or editing raunchy things or erasing things that might be construed as difficult or complex just like every other movement that's ever tried to "fix" a problem without understanding what's actually gone wrong to begin with. It's actually just a whole lot of bullshit pseudoscience.

There's nothing inherently degrading about being sexy, there is however something innately degrading about being human and being surrounded by other humans who degrade and are degraded in turn. If they ever get around to working that out I'll stop calling feminist philosophy flawed. But honestly feminist philosophy has gotten less coherent with time. Virginia Woolf was incredibly, formidably intelligent when writing about feminism...Anita Sarkeesian? Not so much.

Still it's not surprising, everything was more nuanced before post-modernism I swear, now we're in post-post modernism and the effects are not pretty. I realise I may seem to be going off on a tangent but I assure you I'm not. To me modern feminism really isn't about human rights. It's a form of art critique and a shitty one at that.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Very » Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:41 am

What I associate with feminism is sex positivity, LGBTQ+ rights, intersectionality, etc. but it's bizarre how online has shifted more conservative, especially with regards to sexual imagery. Between FOSTA-SESTA dealing a huge blow on sex workers online under the guise of stopping sex trafficking, payment processors banning adult content or greatly limiting it (Patreon's been really shitty towards the more extreme fantasy kinks, including unwilling and fatal vore; to say nothing of spying on people off-site), just, general weirdly hostile attitudes towards more out there porn art, the available spaces for niche adult works are rapidly vanishing.

There are also really kneejerky people out there, be they conservative anti-porn types who have all the money and make all the laws, sex work exclusionary radical "feminists" arguing that all porn is inherently exploitative, or youngsters with too much time on their hands who peddle the same rhetoric, except wearing a gay hat. It was stressful to witness bizarre drama over fantasy kinks on Tumblr before its porn ban (and to clarify things, tumblr seems to allow erotic writing, but no porn imagery. make of it what you will), and it is stressful to witness bizarre drama over fantasy kinks on Twitter, too. Like damn I just wanna post my fetish art and look at other people's fetish art, is that too much to ask?

Also, the kind of stuff I'm into is a bit... niche within a niche, sometimes something I post goes viral in the vore circles, but that's stressful, I prefer to keep things within my scene, as it were. So... If Twitter ends up exploding for whatever reason, I won't miss it too much. I am however worried for people who rely on the site for their livelihood, especially creators of adult works. Where can they go to keep the lights on?

BUT YEAH my point is, none of this is happening in a vacuum, and uh. Yeah I digressed a bit. Social media is ill-suited for the kind of stuff I enjoy doing, in my experience.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Ixtili » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:08 pm

fixated1 wrote:I disagree.

That's not disagreement that's just being wrong. When was the last time you heard anyone who identified as feminist do something other than shitpost about fictional cleavage? Or complain about a character in high heels? Exactly, you haven't heard that because it doesn't exist. At least not online. Now feminist activism does still exist IRL but this is one of those times where the Real Life in IRL really doesn't translate into the Internet at all. Millenials and Zoomers use the Internet the most and neither generation has any actual activists in it. Boomers still do activism but if it's headed by anyone in their early 30s or late teens? It's just very pushy art critique and you know it.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby fixated1 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:20 pm

You're pretending a small fraction of troublemakers that exist within every large group is everyone to fit your narrative. You admit that "irl feminists" do indeed fit my description and not yours, just not online. As if they wouldn't be online as well. The idea that they'd just give up the platform of THE ENTIRE INTERNET with all its reach just to be "real" is nonsense. They must have sent the memo to all the real feminists around the world via newsletter in the mail. And generational differences are only used to criticize others without any real evidence. Just anecdotal evidence at best. Yours is "trust me, u wrong."

To recap, we have A. you saying I'm right about feminists except for B. a nonsense scenario where no real feminist uses the internet and C. Old people rule, young people suck. This is weak. You probably got to this conclusion by seeking out information that confirms this bias and seeking people that agree with you, swapping out of context anecdotal evidence like a trading card game. And you probably call that doing your own research.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Ixtili » Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 am

fixated1 wrote:You're pretending a small fraction of troublemakers that exist within every large group is everyone to fit your narrative. You admit that "irl feminists" do indeed fit my description and not yours, just not online. As if they wouldn't be online as well. The idea that they'd just give up the platform of THE ENTIRE INTERNET with all its reach just to be "real" is nonsense. They must have sent the memo to all the real feminists around the world via newsletter in the mail. And generational differences are only used to criticize others without any real evidence. Just anecdotal evidence at best. Yours is "trust me, u wrong."

To recap, we have A. you saying I'm right about feminists except for B. a nonsense scenario where no real feminist uses the internet and C. Old people rule, young people suck. This is weak. You probably got to this conclusion by seeking out information that confirms this bias and seeking people that agree with you, swapping out of context anecdotal evidence like a trading card game. And you probably call that doing your own research.


No, I got this information by not closing my eyes to the bad behaviour of people using a label I used to identify with. I can understand how you'd be confused by that though, given all that copium your huffing. Feminism is a flawed movement, it's always been a flawed movement, the anonymity and unfettered nature of the Internet just offers a prime location for idiots to utilise only the flaws for their own purposes. It's like Christianity but with some names and colours swapped around. The belief in Original Sin is pretty much the same though.

Speaking of Christianity I became an atheist for similar reasons. Namely that I didn't like that people could just run around with the label behave badly and get away with it and hide under the defense of "well not everyone is like that" if not everyone is like that you wouldn't be letting them hide amongst you. Or trying to downplay the fact they exist. :roll:

If you're first instinct is to disown people like that rather than punish them, then your not really in disagreement and they aren't really a small minority. You might as well be trying to convince me that, Christians want equal rights for gay people. Just because they don't actively participate in defacing their graves and only raised the hooligans that do the dirty work.

Sure trying to make fiction incredibly bland and sexless isn't on the same level as defacing someone's grave. But that just makes it all the more believable that any hollow claims of disagreement are just that: hollow. The less serious the crime the more likely the perpetration and all that.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Very » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 am

Hate to say Ixtili, but fixated1 is right. It's a bad faith argument that feminism is bad because of some bad actors, or people you consider to be bad. The goal of feminism, by and far, is human rights. It started as equal rights for women, but it's expanded considerably to intersectionality, transgender issues, race, class, what have you. Petty squabbles online about "feminists" and "SJWs" are just distractions, certainly not helped by strawman troll blogs that muddy up the waters even further. And there are plenty of younger generation activists online taking it to the streets, to protests. Risking their necks for issues like, idk, more recently, right to abortion. Internet can sometimes be the best (or only) way to organize.

What's more, some of the phenomenon of criticizing "sexualized" female figures (Escher Girls, redesigned fantasy armour, etc.) that gained traction on Tumblr has its basis on sex negative radical feminism. Radfems have made it clear they've infiltrated these spaces as a psyop, here's a Tumblr post detailing crypto-TERF behaviour. Also, while people may get a big head of "improving" the horny drawings, it's inconsequential. Annoying, sure, but it's moreso something I just ignore. Cheesecakey, sexy depictions of women are fine. As are less sexualized depictions of women. Both of these can coexist. When people with different tastes in fiction don't write each other off and treat one another with respect, well, it would be great, but we don't live in a perfect world. Social media is built in a way where drama thrives. Interactions that are resolved amicably aren't exciting, drama is. Anonymity is only one factor in this, Facebook has people using their own names and has them acting like total fucksticks regardless. Twitter and what its algorithms prioritize is a huge reason why petty "discourse" gets more attention than someone's art piece they poured hours into.

On feminism again, there are self-identified feminists whose values are diametrically opposed to my own, and it's not really my place to judge who is a "true" feminist since the "no true scotsman" argument isn't helpful when there's self-proclaimed feminists who argue that sex work is always coerced and all porn exploits women (certainly, the porn industry at large has its issues, but independent amateur porn producers aren't and shouldn't be the problem), that transgender people are either gender traitors or sexual predators or both; and then there's also self-proclaimed feminists who are sex positive, want to decriminalize sex work and see transgender people as people and not monsters. So when you got a younger generation growing up in an environment where you're fed conflicting information (especially in this era of heavy disinformation campaigns and legitimate sources of information being paywalled), it's not easy to tell what is true and what isn't. In any case, you're not obligated to identify with a label you feel no connection to. I know I've shed most labels I used to refer to myself. People may apply them to me, with or without my consent, but otherwise, I'm just me. I'm not interested in online conflicts. (yes, I realize this makes my post very ironic.)

All in all, what I'm really concerned about, again, is how people in power are turning the internet into a sexless, boring space for the lowest common denominator, hostile to people, friendly only to advertisers, and we (i.e. our personal data) is the product being sold. Differences in opinion over drawings feel so quaint in comparison. Web 1.0 is never coming back, but I guess the return of a more decentralized internet may be necessary. Maybe I should make a Neocities site for my vore stuff. Who knows.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Ixtili » Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:37 pm

Very wrote:Hate to say Ixtili, but fixated1 is right. It's a bad faith argument that feminism is bad because of some bad actors, or people you consider to be bad. The goal of feminism, by and far, is human rights. It started as equal rights for women, but it's expanded considerably to intersectionality, transgender issues, race, class, what have you. Petty squabbles online about "feminists" and "SJWs" are just distractions, certainly not helped by strawman troll blogs that muddy up the waters even further. And there are plenty of younger generation activists online taking it to the streets, to protests. Risking their necks for issues like, idk, more recently, right to abortion. Internet can sometimes be the best (or only) way to organize.

What's more, some of the phenomenon of criticizing "sexualized" female figures (Escher Girls, redesigned fantasy armour, etc.) that gained traction on Tumblr has its basis on sex negative radical feminism. Radfems have made it clear they've infiltrated these spaces as a psyop, here's a Tumblr post detailing crypto-TERF behaviour. Also, while people may get a big head of "improving" the horny drawings, it's inconsequential. Annoying, sure, but it's moreso something I just ignore. Cheesecakey, sexy depictions of women are fine. As are less sexualized depictions of women. Both of these can coexist. When people with different tastes in fiction don't write each other off and treat one another with respect, well, it would be great, but we don't live in a perfect world. Social media is built in a way where drama thrives. Interactions that are resolved amicably aren't exciting, drama is. Anonymity is only one factor in this, Facebook has people using their own names and has them acting like total fucksticks regardless. Twitter and what its algorithms prioritize is a huge reason why petty "discourse" gets more attention than someone's art piece they poured hours into.

On feminism again, there are self-identified feminists whose values are diametrically opposed to my own, and it's not really my place to judge who is a "true" feminist since the "no true scotsman" argument isn't helpful when there's self-proclaimed feminists who argue that sex work is always coerced and all porn exploits women (certainly, the porn industry at large has its issues, but independent amateur porn producers aren't and shouldn't be the problem), that transgender people are either gender traitors or sexual predators or both; and then there's also self-proclaimed feminists who are sex positive, want to decriminalize sex work and see transgender people as people and not monsters. So when you got a younger generation growing up in an environment where you're fed conflicting information (especially in this era of heavy disinformation campaigns and legitimate sources of information being paywalled), it's not easy to tell what is true and what isn't. In any case, you're not obligated to identify with a label you feel no connection to. I know I've shed most labels I used to refer to myself. People may apply them to me, with or without my consent, but otherwise, I'm just me. I'm not interested in online conflicts. (yes, I realize this makes my post very ironic.)

All in all, what I'm really concerned about, again, is how people in power are turning the internet into a sexless, boring space for the lowest common denominator, hostile to people, friendly only to advertisers, and we (i.e. our personal data) is the product being sold. Differences in opinion over drawings feel so quaint in comparison. Web 1.0 is never coming back, but I guess the return of a more decentralized internet may be necessary. Maybe I should make a Neocities site for my vore stuff. Who knows.


Intellectually, I mostly agree with you actually, but I have some very complicated feelings about feminism as a girl who grew up believing I could trust it to look out for me only to realise as an adult that it could easily be co-opted by opportunists and turned against me. Intellectually I realise that there are still feminists who fight for actual human rights. But emotionally it feels like the entire movement has been taken in a direction that's deliberately alienating to my beliefs. Heck I see shades of that alienating direction in fixated1 who suggested I WANT feminism to be bad. I don't want feminism to be bad I've just been burned before and can't ever fully trust it again. Does that mean there aren't technically still good people in the movement? No. Am I mentally and emotionally ready to assume anyone who identifies as a feminist is one of those good people? Also no. Am I in fact more likely to be wary of them if they tell me their a feminist and aren't someone from before my negative experience with feminism? Yes. It might be irrational, but I don't feel this way for no reason.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Randomdude5 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:12 pm

Somehow I knew that when someone mentioned "Woke" and feminist, that the thread would get sidetracked. To try to get the thread back on track, I will give my opinion. I doubt Twitter is going to just disappear, but it might censor NSFW content, but I have no idea. My problem with artist posting stuff on Twitter, or other sites is that they often never post it here. Some people have a habit of hiding their stuff on discord too.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Fallenfox » Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:54 pm

SleepySloth wrote:Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.

Agree, and the way I see it, Elon Musk liberated Twitter from censors and scolds.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Very » Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:11 pm

@ Ixtili, yeah, I completely understand not wanting to associate with any of that for your own reasons.

Also, guys, Elon Musk fired people who kept essential site features like microservices for two-factor authentication functional. (please write the backup code somewhere! don't turn off 2FA!) Dude doesn't know a damn thing about running a website. And he banned a guy for criticizing his hypocrisy. Musk doesn't care about "free speech", only specific kind of speech he personally agrees with.

Twitter's only as functional as the skeleton crew keeping it running, somehow.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Achenar » Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:37 am

Fallenfox wrote:
SleepySloth wrote:Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.

Agree, and the way I see it, Elon Musk liberated Twitter from censors and scolds.

Clean your glasses, then.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby SleepySloth » Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:02 pm

ryanshowseason3 wrote:
SleepySloth wrote:Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.



More than half the staff gone, fired in a single day.

Investors abandon

CEO sends an email telling all employees work overtime or quit with a generous severance.

A feature that removes all platform integrity is released for an hour of minimum wage per month.

You: Just a flesh wound

I truly wish I had your optimism.


Most of the staff didn't do shit. The company is profitable now and its owned by a guy who literally turns every company he owns into money making machines. Twitter is going to be just fine.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby fixated1 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:57 pm

SleepySloth wrote:
ryanshowseason3 wrote:
SleepySloth wrote:Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.



More than half the staff gone, fired in a single day.

Investors abandon

CEO sends an email telling all employees work overtime or quit with a generous severance.

A feature that removes all platform integrity is released for an hour of minimum wage per month.

You: Just a flesh wound

I truly wish I had your optimism.


Most of the staff didn't do shit. The company is profitable now and its owned by a guy who literally turns every company he owns into money making machines. Twitter is going to be just fine.


Tesla and SpaceX make money because they get massive government handouts. This dude gets the biggest welfare check in the world. Started at the bottom as an apartheid emerald mine trust fund baby and look at him now. Desperately seeking approval from internet trolls.

Twitter isn't going to get a government handout either. At least not big enough to keep it. It won't die but I could easily see it get sold at a loss if elong doesn't stop driving away advertisers.
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Re: End of twitter, effect on vore artists?

Postby Achenar » Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:45 am

SleepySloth wrote:
ryanshowseason3 wrote:
SleepySloth wrote:Twitter is going to be fine. You are all overreacting.



More than half the staff gone, fired in a single day.

Investors abandon

CEO sends an email telling all employees work overtime or quit with a generous severance.

A feature that removes all platform integrity is released for an hour of minimum wage per month.

You: Just a flesh wound

I truly wish I had your optimism.


Most of the staff didn't do shit. The company is profitable now and its owned by a guy who literally turns every company he owns into money making machines. Twitter is going to be just fine.


The company is profitable? How do you square that claim with a mass exodus of advertisers from a platform whose primary source of income is advertising revenue? Twitter -went into- FY23 with a severe decrease in pre-bought ad commitments because Elon actively refused to give them any sort of sense of stability or security in the value of their purchase.
I also frankly take offense with your claim that Elon personally turned Tesla into "a money-making machine". Elon is a quinessential "ideas man". The people who actually get down and do the work of implementing those ideas and making them real? Those are the people who actually create value and revenue. (Also... can you really call your company a "money-making machine" when its stocks are plummeting, there's an open investigation over safety concerns, and it's the subject of multiple federal consent decrees?)
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