Reading through this thread. Wow it has grown..
I must say I'm surprised how many people here feel intimidated or even scared by the haters of male preds. I really didn't know.. Being into male preds myself, I am aware of the annoyance that some guys try to talk artists into drawing females instead of males, but for me it ended there. Ignore, answer with a polite 'no', or report button should it get obnoxious, but that's it. Somebody doesn't like my stuff? So what? I never thought it was such a big problem. It sounds like you people got upright bullied here.
Now I am wondering - did I only have great luck during all those years, being spared from the worst things? Or, do I perceive things differently than others here? Or, such creep guys simply don't bother me that much because I'm considered "such a hopelessly unattractive case" anyway..?
Saftkeur wrote:The pred-shaming can sometimes be subtle or even unintentional, but rest assured it happens a ton!
It's partly a product of society, too, combined with the fact that males are a majority of the users here (and out of those males, it's another majority of them that are prey). If you're a male prey and you see a male predator, the "Ew, gross!" response seems all too natural, because it's somehow become taught that if you like another man, or compliment them, or have a fantasy that involves men, that's gay. And of course, female-on-female stuff is hot and totally fine, so nobody bats an eyelash at that stuff.
..and then they demand a "warning" for every post with a male pred.
Now it's generally a good idea to label your stuff, or describe the things you link to, but what's so hilarous here is the double standard these guys undeniably have - it doesn't at all occur to them that female pred posts should be labeled as well, it's all about putting a huge warning tag on male preds because "eeewg gross now I'm traumatized".
Eurykins wrote:Another example to add: It seems harmless, but people making assumptions that a predator is female also contribute to this underlying feeling of inhospitality. It's not as bad when it's just one person making the assumption, but when you see multiple people joining in the assumption across multiple topics, it makes it difficult to join in.
As a pred I experience that a lot as well. ..yet another thread for preys exclusively. Some days ago one guy started entirely five threads or so for preys. I was like.. err.. what?
Yes, I can see how that is annoying, getting excluded already from the beginning. But at the other side, I don't really have to partake in every stinking thread here right? Why must every thread be "available" for me? At the other side, it's a pest when such one-sided material flood the main page. In such cases of redundant threads, report them, and admin can merge them into one thread. We don't really need five active "let's discuss female preds" threads at once.
GREGOLE wrote:Yes, the problem is not with drawing or writing what you like. In fact, that's of the utmost importance. The problem is when people chastise others for drawing or writing what they like. That is inexcusable.
This. This forever.
I love male preds. I love them almost as much as female preds. And I can do nothing but roll my eyes when either side tries to act superior than the other, as is
bafflingly common! ....Okay, maybe not baffling. People acting like their kinks are superior to other peoples' goes on far outside the voreosphere. But still.
Yes. Sad but true, I *have* seen ignorant attitude from the M/F camp as well. Ridiculous blanket statements on what males or females are like, or supposed to be like (most typically, the dominant male - submissive female stereotype). But perhaps it's just a
counter-reaction to all the flack M/F fans have gotten themselves?
One clarification which may be necessary for me to make:
While I have expressed my disagreement with such blanket statements about gender roles in the past, I have never attacked anyone because of their gender preferences. I'm sorry if it came off that way, that was not the intention.
I don't think it's wrong or sexist when a female enjoys the submissive role, fantasizes about being prey or generally abused by a dominant male. What I do think is wrong (or even sexist) however is when such is presented as an ideal, standard or norm (and not only as own preferences). People are different, including huge variations within the same gender. What we should aim for is more tolerance, accepting and respecting the entire range, including dominant male preds and submissive female preys, but also dominant female preds and submissive male preys, and anything else. It's not possible to shoehorn an entire population into the same box, in fact it's just counterproductive, as it may antagonize people who would otherwise have supported one.
Now I eat you!}- >:-(.. ____ D: -{no.. nooo..
But yes, letting this gently shift back to talking about male predators is a good idea.
