Has Vore Art Become"Worse"?

[Raiza]

This site is generally fine. Either talented veterans and fresher faces mixed with newer artist just trying to improve what they do. But even here I find myself scrolling through most to find "good" vore. Or rather, what I'm into. I don't think it is accurate to say the art has gotten worse, if anything, this site has only gotten better over time. You can tell that by looking at older art from popular artist and how they've improved over time. Assuming I'm not the only person who gets these kind of thoughts, I think I can bring up some reasons of why we may feel this way.

1: On Deviant Art, is HAS gotten worse.
There is an ocean of bad photo manips(Not saying there isn't good ones) and things that looks like they were drawn on MS Paint on Windows 98, some awkward 3D art, and writing that is just a paragraph or less. You have to follow the people you like on DA, and leave it at that. Searching Vore will not result in finding "hidden gems" like it use to.

2: Our standards have gotten higher.

We have been spoiled on sites like this that have a lot of good artist for this fetish. As it evolves, perhaps our standards for it also evolves. As a result, things that may have worked on you in the past may not anymore. Even going back to some of the older works of people you did like. I think this also goes hand and hand with the next problem.

3: We are Jaded

A bit of a stereotype of looking at porn, even satirized by South Park. There is an element of truth to it though. At the beginning of me accepting and discovering this fetish, almost any form of artwork was a turn on since it was so rare(ish) and outlandish. Over time though, it takes a lot more to get off by something. Perhaps you acknowledge it is a good piece of artwork. But it doesn't excite you like perhaps it would have 5+ years ago. This is made even worse by the standards of Vore Art increasing over time.

4: There is a lot more of it.

From the time I first discovered myself and these communities, there was already a fair amount to look at. Even artist that were well established. Today, there is simply a lot more of it, good and bad. I will follow up on this more with my next point.

5: There is a lot of kinks.

This is NOT bad by any means. Nor is it new to vore. From the start there was a big cross over with other fetishes, such as furry, bdsm, etc. As well as the MANY sub-categories of Vore. That fact mixed with the higher volume of Vore can make looking up latest updates a chore. Scanning past things you have no interest in to find the things you are. Now, on this site that is mostly a mute point with tags. DA doesn't seem to have its tags as well defined as this site or even other hentai image sites.

6: Your Kinks are more specific over time?

This may not be everyone, but you like what you like, and may start having more preferences that are a lot more specific than just general soft vore. Thus anything "lesser" or different may not do anything for you anymore. A very similar problem to our standards getting higher.

This may come off as a lol Eka's Portal/Aryion.com is better than Deviant Art by the end. But I would like to know if I am the only one who has had these thoughts towards Vore and the quality and quantity of it. Or if your tastes have just become more specific and refined over time. Granted I still am fascinated with Vore overall. Just seems to take longer to get my fix lol

[Thagrahn]

I think that parts 3 and 4 cover the real problems.

We, as a community, have been able to carefully refine the quality of what we like, and we have the ability to pi k from a lot more artists and sources for fetish material.

That being said, there is also the burn out effect of constant exposure. To much of any fetish, and it loses the kinky feel, and becomes "Normal" or "Vanilla" to our tastes.

Heck, I'm Actually at the point where a PG-13 RP is more fun than any of the fetish RP I've done the last month.

If I wasn't trying to work on projects related to kinks and fetish, I would be happy to take a brake from the kink and smut.

[Paradox]

In my opinion and experience its a little bit of everything. You summed up pretty much already but i dont think it got worse, just more.

Bad photomanips were around since this fetish became more and more common with yahoo groups ten years ago.
Together with the internet, the vore communities (especially on Eka's and DeviantArt) became much larger which let to much greater variation of Art.
More content means more of both bad and good quality.
More content means more themes on a specific aspect. (Mind Control, Succubi, alien, fanfiction, ... the whole tag list actually)

If you have special kinks, they tend to get more satisfied at places which hoard content. Ekas and Deviantart are most likely the place to look at. Otherwise chanboards or Pixiv.net could be recommended.

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That being said, there is also the burn out effect of constant exposure. To much of any fetish, and it loses the kinky feel, and becomes "Normal" or "Vanilla" to our tastes.
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^this
I too realized my kinks changed over time.
10 years ago i was into fulltour(scat). Around 6 years ago i came to like Unbirth more and more, as well as ass expansion and the prey still being alive after being added so such
Since around 3 months i seems to have lost my interest in UB though o-o Maybe it will come back but i strangely get more interested in fulltour again.

[tod3690]

I have to agree with you on that, some of the stuff I have seen, the person who created it, just don't seem to be trying.
Now I can understand artwork, too a point. But some of the writing I have found, its just unreadable. I'm not a far of what I create myself, but I do try as much as possible.

But for me, the worst part is that a lot of people don't use keywords, when submitting there works.

[Very]

In my experience, vore art hasn't gotten worse, it's mostly just that my tastes have become more and more particular over time. Plus being exposed to stuff that just plain isn't my thing (which is a lot of it), it does create the impression the art is "worse", when... it isn't, really? What constitutes "good" vore art is so subjective, I imagine most people draw material that appeals to themselves, first and foremost, unless it's a commission or such. And I'm not sure how much technical skill has to do with one's preferences unless they outright state them.

[TW]

Speaking as one of those who have been around since before Eka's was founded... I can say that I agree with the majority of what was listed. I think though that the idea of art getting worse or better is relative to the amount you see. As you pointed out, there are a lot more artists out there, I think that because we are searching for our specific kinks, we tend to notice more just how much exists that falls outside our current proclivities.

There is a burn out to the exposure, however I think that also helps the creators push themselves to improve. My own kinks are wildly varied and cut across more than just vore and its subsets, so I tend to not have that same issue.

10 years ago i was into fulltour(scat). Around 6 years ago i came to like Unbirth more and more, as well as ass expansion and the prey still being alive after being added so such
Since around 3 months i seems to have lost my interest in UB though o-o Maybe it will come back but i strangely get more interested in fulltour again.

I agree, 10 years ago it was just the belly/swallowing etc. My tastes have waned and ebbed, I think that in many ways, we have this occur when we use up all the available new material that we enjoy and until the next batch queues up or there is enough of it, our craving for it drops.

Is DeviantArt better? worse? It's another venue for art to be released, despite the restrictions placed there. Is there a lot of what we consider lower grade items out there, but I view DA the same way I view Facebook, many people are looking for validation through the favorites and comments they receive, which is why the quality appears lower there. Why put more effort into my own work if I can throw up something short and gain my instant validation through favorites and maybe some comments, that's good enough. (Please note I'm not saying everyone is like that, however there seems to be many that are) I personally think many do not post on Eka's because they have to ask permission to have a gallery instead of just dumping it on the internet.

I am grateful for all of those who try to put out art for the fetish we all share, I prefer Eka's for the majority of any art for my vore fetish, DA is good for many others. Those who work to improve their art are to be lauded, those who don't, well, they will either learn or vanish in the sunset like so many others.

If there is an improvement to be made in in our community, it is for a little more communication before someone just vanishes. We have lost so many without warning or explanation. I understand there comes a point when you may need to leave, but at least say goodbye.

[DeityV]

Well considering that my word realistically has no influence over the group of veterans that have responded thus far, here is my take anyway. I feel that all of your points make sense as well as giving me guidance as what to expect from this fetish in the future. At the very least, the vast amount of content can give a sense of finding that diamond in the rough when you come across it. In my limited experience, I have gone from simply being overloaded by my senses in the beginning, to become more critical and picky with what I find. This is only after a few years and I do not intend to compare myself to you guys at all.

I actually spent quite a large amount of time searching through the many galleries on the portal and finding artists that fit my interests and desires. I just now finished searching further in those selected artists galleries to find and organize my favorites page. Just now I have 357 favorites sitting on a spreadsheet that I am about to organize chronologically and categorize them as soon as I finish this post. I had intentionally planned on doing this solely for myself, but maybe I could help organize and find those diamonds in this vast gallery. Of course, this will only reflect MY tastes but I plan on organizing them accordingly. If this ends up helping you find better artwork, than it will be good to know that I ended up helping someone out. Either way let me quite my rambling and get to work.

[Houyo]

We need to build a wall to keep bad artists out.

MAKE VORE GREAT AGAIN.

[TW]

We need to build a wall to keep bad artists out.

MAKE VORE GREAT AGAIN.

Your comment made me laugh so hard it woke up my dog.

Well considering that my word realistically has no influence over the group of veterans that have responded thus far

Veteran or no, I think that everyone should have a say, we are a community and we appreciate the opinion of all! *insert teasing voice here* Even if they are wrong.

Having your own categorization is great, I think we can also make improvements in the tagging so those diamonds become easier to find. I have favorites from years ago, before tagging became popular that should be updated. I think that will help shuffle what you want or do not want to see around.

[Borealis]

Our standards and expectations are far higher than they used to be. That is the main clincher.

I'm 27 now and when I was first browsing vore on the internet as a teenager, both the quantity and overall quality of vore content was much lower. You literally considered yourself lucky if you found a picture, any picture, that melded with your preferences and had to be far more lax with the quality when you found it.

I know nostalgia is a thing and all, but someone browsing the internet for vore in the early 00's would be been blown out of their mind if they had seen some of the stuff the top creators are making now, compared to back then. (Not to take anything away from the big names back then, but you know what I mean.)

[Komodo]

Mmm. I've had this thought but never thought it fair to utter.
But since you break the ice for me and many others, I might as well give my 10 cents.
I think it is a combination of everything you listed, and maybe even a few more points
that differ from person to person. To me, the reason I never wrote something on this
matter lies with that I am -happy- with the dropping quality-per-quantity!
The way I see it when I look back and compare, is the amount of care and involvement.
Back 7 or more years ago? We'd be happy if 20 or so items were uploaded on Ekas Portal
alone in a single day. That'd be a lot, considering that Vore was such a back-Alley fetish
at that point. I know I am going on a "back in my day"-rant here, but it is honestly how I
feel and think about this.
Compare with today? Where Vore can be found on MOST fetish-sites, and even sites that
are non-dedicated to the sexual! It is not only more spread, but it IS more spread due to
more PEOPLE having joined or allowed themselves to be open about it! Working on their
own contributions and wanting to give artistry a try as well! And well... everyone gotta
start somewhere, right? Some of the first great Vore-Artists all started somewhere even
before they began doing Vore, it is just that they were decent/good artists already by
the point of starting to draw their fetishes.
So, whilst possibly TOO optimistic for my own degrading Health, I feel that every new or
fresh artist is another high-step member of a fairly disliked fetish. Furries are somewhat
accepted in todays world, but it is gonna take Vorites a LONG time to reach the same
level. And for each person, it is the same steps to cross. Discover, Analyze, Consider,
Accept and Open Up. Every person who uploads is another person who hasn't just passed
all those steps, but crossed on further to open their work for critique ONLINE! One of the
scariest things possible considering how cruel the online communities can be!
So Kudos to all New Artists out there, and don't let your current level of quality disheart
you or scare your away from continuing. Everyone gotta start somewhere, after all =)
And Besides... even the highest level of art often misses details...
Ever noticed that the Mona Lisa lacks Eyebrows? Most detailed painting in the world! xD

[LilianiMirx]

I've simple gotten pickier with what I find arousing and what I don't find arousing. NitroTitan's stuff used to get me going but over time his/her stuff has evolved into something different that I don't find all too interesting. The art is great, but it doesn't arouse anything within me. Meanwhile there can be a drawing that looks really sloppily drawn, crude even, but because of the situation it depicts, the characters involved, it sparks something within me.

So I've gotten pickier really. It's not something I can really put my finger down on. Some things stir something within me. A lot of stuff doesn't.

For example: https://aryion.com/g4/view/232724
That comic series is rather crudely drawn but because of what it depicts, the characters involved, the type of vore and all that jazz it really stirs something within me every time that I look at it.

Another example: http://iga-ninja-artist.deviantart.com/ ... 7613&qo=29
One of the first vore art I stumbled across back when I didn't even know of the term "vore" and I like it to this day.

Whereas this one: https://aryion.com/g4/view/333779
Is really well drawn, way better than the other one, but what it depicts simply isn't my thing. Most of the time when BigBig uploads something I feel compelled to favorite it and save it but later when I go through the stuff I've saved and decide to do a clean-up (save what I find really arousing and delete anything else) I end up deleting most of his stuff.

So to me, vore hasn't gotten worse. It has always had crude stuff and high quality stuff. It's just that over time you find what niche's you really like and it's hard to get invested in something that just doesn't stir anything in you. #6 is probably the most accurate one. And with the amount of vore we got now there is so much to pick and choose from that you can be pickier about what you enjoy. For some it may be the quality of the art, for others it could be what it depicts. I'm in the latter category. I don't really need things to be NitroTitan or BigBig level quality tier. I just need the vore to suit my strict preferences.

So no, it hasn't gotten worse. Not at all. There's just so much of it that we're allowed to be picky and find niche's we like.

[Doku]

1. I would say you're 'off' on this one. The wretched photo-manipulations were always there. I recall them from well onto almost a decade ago, and the people that produce them have never really stopped doing so. The quality of this trash has never dropped, but what has happened is that due to a few realizations among some artists about the ways in which Deviantart polices its policies and inconsistencies therein, they are not always safe to post their work there. Rather than risk reprisal, most of the quality artists who draw fanart (particularly of anime characters) in this category have departed for 'greener pastures.' While they may maintain their dA account, it is more out of social expectation than anything, and their main updating occurs elsewhere (furaffinity, here, patreon, tumblr, blogspot, etc...).

The quality there has not dropped so much as it is that the quality artists in fetish work are slowly departing.

2. I would argue that the standards of most participants in the fetish appear to have changed very little. Yours may have personally shifted, and I'm well aware that mine have gotten considerably higher, but the vast majority of mid to high-quality art receives equal, unchanged praise from most of the same categories. However, most arguments here are based upon experience and not actual numbers and facts, so it's difficult to gauge.

3. For those who are long involved in the fetish from an artistic point of view, this may be the case.

4. Over time, quantities of art will increase regardless, but yes. This allows a certain amount of discernment.

5 & 6. This has been a building issue over the last 10 years, as the fetish has blossomed from merely encompassing a singular sub-set of activity to a whole range of biologically impossible scenarios and a greater focus on 'softer' and non-fatal material. It doesn't speak to actual quality or quantities, but rather to the defining characters of individual tastes in art, and while it was always there you are right that it is more pronounced. On 6, that will vary from person to person.

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Overall: Deviantart is not, nor was ever a 'better' place to find good art than Furaffinity or Eka's. It is a place, however, where you are more likely to find congregated fetish art in endosomaphilia. That was always the case. I think you're simply noticing it more now.

[Emi]

I don't think art has become worse. Yes, the amount of arts in general grows up, of course, because everyday new arts appear and old artists draw. It always was and always will be that there are much more "bad arts" than "good arts" cause it's a long a hard way to become a real artist. Artists who was "not very good" a couple of years ago, now create better arts, and some have become awsome artists.
One thing I regret is that the main tendention have not changed: we have tons of ANIME vore stuff, but no realistic arts at all. This is what I saw 5-6 years ago, and the same now. I wish there were more artists around who would draw vore in this style:

If this ever happens, I will say "the situation gets better".

[Dark_Duran]

I think another aspect of vore art getting 'worse' (be it real or imagined, I lean towards the latter), is the rise of patreon and other such services to help artists monetize themselves. A large number of the artists that would upload work here frequently have started doing so less and less because they're putting more and more of their work beyond a paywall. I personally have noticed that a number of the artists that I've had on Watch here took a sharp decline in how often they've posted to their galleries after they set up their patreons... one or two posting nothing but preview images to entice people to support said patreons.

So the high quality art is still out there, it's just that more of it is reaching a smaller cross-section of the community, because not everyone is willing or able to spend the money to see it. Perhaps it is because I don't personally do it, but it at least seems to me that piracy is fairly low among the community, so a fair deal of art isn't being circulated that way. Though an artist with a patreon will probably have a better idea of how much piracy is going on then I; again, that's just my personal impression.

Contrariwise, an artist that's only 'okay' is going to have a much harder time getting people to subscribe to their patreons then a skilled artist is (and a number of those don't have it very easy because many are now competing with each other when they weren't before), so they're more likely to not bother and just share their work for free, to speak nothing of those whom are less then skilled.

So to sum up, quality art is still there, it's just that more of the skilled artists are choosing to distribute via a pay model rather then freely.

[Belloc]

Beware Betteridge's Law of Headlines.

That said, I don't know if I completely understand the question here. Has Vore Art gotten worse? You don't seem thoroughly convinced that it has. Your question really seems to come down to "Have my tastes changed?" And the answer is... probably! And that's great! No one wants to stagnate after all.

This site has only improved since 2006 in my opinion. I can't speak for all sites, but vore art and the vore community seem to have only gotten better. Maybe I just haven't been around long enough to get it, but I would say, no, I don't think things are getting worse.

[Leshana]

lol, I don't think you remember when you had to wait a MONTH for the next update of vore pictures, where you'd get just a handful of them. To be honest, I don't really remember that time either, I was too young for vore when that was really the truth, but even just 10 years ago you could actually conceivably know the names of all the vore artists.

[Artemis]

1: On Deviant Art, is HAS gotten worse.
There is an ocean of bad photo manips(Not saying there isn't good ones) and things that looks like they were drawn on MS Paint on Windows 98, some awkward 3D art, and writing that is just a paragraph or less. You have to follow the people you like on DA, and leave it at that. Searching Vore will not result in finding "hidden gems" like it use to.

That's fair, and part of the problem is how irredeemably awful the group system is. Not only are there tons of really crappy groups run by immature little kids who do obnoxious crap, but if you want to run a good group it takes an enormous and borderline unreasonable amount of work. In comparison, Eka's basically runs itself. Even worse, if you step on anyone's toes even slightly they will abandon your group in a heartbeat. I am like, the nicest group owner when it comes to tolerance of submission rule violations, but it still happens to me a few times a month. DA has just never been a good platform for niche communities.

2: Our standards have gotten higher.
3: We are Jaded

These are basically one and the same, imo. This is true, but personally I dealt with this by just keeping in mind that old art is just as good as the first time I saw it. Sure, my mood for a particular piece of art comes and goes, but if it's legitimately good art it will always be there for me when the mood comes back. So like, regardless of how much bad content there is there's always going to be a larger and larger supply of good content.

4: There is a lot more of it.
5: There is a lot of kinks.
From the start there was a big cross over with other fetishes, such as furry, bdsm, etc. As well as the MANY sub-categories of Vore. That fact mixed with the higher volume of Vore can make looking up latest updates a chore. Scanning past things you have no interest in to find the things you are. Now, on this site that is mostly a mute point with tags. DA doesn't seem to have its tags as well defined as this site or even other hentai image sites.

I'd agree that this is a big problem, mostly with DA. And once again part of the problem is that DA's group system just sucks unreasonably badly. The biggest vore group on DA accepts literally everything sent to it, and because it just automatically accepts everything people submit things that clearly aren't vore. You get lots of people submitting inflation, stuffing, pregnancy, weight fetishism and mysterious big bellies, nevermind the troll submissions, and the reality is that those are all distinct fetishes with distinct appeals. They're not really interchangeable for most people, so you get this problem you're describing with having to sift through all this stuff you're not interested in for the actual content you joined the group for. Groups like that stay big because they never step on anyone's toes, at the expense of their watchers.

I was so frustrated with this facet of DA's vore groups that I went out and made my own for the specific purposes of combatting this issue. And because I'm just one person I've already had to make several big compromises in how I run the group to work around my inability to personally quality control everything that floats through. It's just... It really makes you appreciate Eka's Gallery. =/

6: Your Kinks are more specific over time?
This may not be everyone, but you like what you like, and may start having more preferences that are a lot more specific than just general soft vore. Thus anything "lesser" or different may not do anything for you anymore. A very similar problem to our standards getting higher.

Honestly? I'd have to disagree with this. When I first joined my tastes were very specific, simply because I hadn't warmed up to things like digestion or full tour yet. Right now my preferences are somewhat more flexible than when I arrived, though they have still risen and fallen over the years.

[questionabletaste]

No.

There's more bad art in the sense that there's more art period. When I first found the scene about 10 years ago, it was mostly a handful of personal sites (Duamutef, MammaBliss, HipHugger) and a few small organized sites (JunkPile) that had maybe 20 artists on them. Deviantart had vore content, but there were no communities, and you really had to dig to find stuff. Don't get me wrong, there was some great stuff at the time, but there was a lot, lot less, and you made do with what you could get.

Things have only improved in terms of quality and variety.

[TW]

lol, I don't think you remember when you had to wait a MONTH for the next update of vore pictures, where you'd get just a handful of them. To be honest, I don't really remember that time either, I was too young for vore when that was really the truth, but even just 10 years ago you could actually conceivably know the names of all the vore artists.

We need an up vote button or a swallow button or something for stuff like this Leshana... You are absolutely right.