Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby Eyefull » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:12 pm

Thatonepred wrote:To be fair, angy once, but more often I'd be disturbed by a work. As with Eyefull, betrayal is a common theme that turns me off, as well as blatant cruelty and non-fictional abuse of power/neglect (such as a Teacher eating students for minor infringments, or a mother letting her son get eaten for hitting a girl, despite the fact she was already eating him in the first place). It's a certain thing that strikes a specific cord with me.

Oh yeah. This too. Where the pred already has a place of authority (job, social status, etc.) over the prey and proceed to abuse or extend that authority through vore. Granted, as a whole, a lot of these scenarios lose their anger-inducing punch when things are strictly non-fatal. Using the teacher example, being swallowed until the end of class or during detention, but let out afterwards, is a much easier scenario to accept (if a bit weird). I like a certain amount of cruelty in my vore, especially when the prey is deserving of it or they are being eaten for food reasons anyway. But that has its limits.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby dekabreak » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:40 am

Not really, the pred would have to be incredibly sadistic and torture a prey who is a good person for me to really feel like that.

It's just that the stories and comics are fictional and i understand they were made for fetish purposes most of the time, being angry is kinda hard for me, it also doesn't help that i actually enjoy cruel preds who are awful.

I do have a hard time getting into teacher vore, for example, teachers eating the students in front of their class for silly reasons just annoys me because if that is the case every student would behave and if the teacher has to eat students in private then the cops would notice that the teacher tends to be the last person missing students talk to, there's rarely if ever a good reason for a teacher to eat a student, it just seems too silly for me.

A pred with authority could be done, for example, i am thinking of a world where death punishments are not done by electric chairs and such, but by preds, genetically modified humans, whose job is to eat and dispose of criminals that a judge considered worthy of being killed, so the preds would eat murderers, rapists, pedophiles and such, really terrible people that probably spent a few years in jail at that point.

That way, you could have a pred with authority(executioner) digesting a prey(criminal sentenced to death) and it would feel a lot less bad, i dunno, that is just an example of a pred with authority digesting it's prey that i think could work.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby Krovennan » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:59 pm

It guess it's cause of my disconnect between the art and real life but I have no problem with a sadistic pred. If it was IRL I would be probably incensed to the point of madness, but as horrible as it might sound, mistreated prey only squirm all the harder to me.

On at least a couple of occasions here I've intensely disliked a character (usually one that's meant to be disliked mind you) for reasons not pertaining to vore. But hey, we've a very good system for making sure they get what they deserve :gulp:
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby todomatsu » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:54 pm

I can't really enjoy fics that take place in a world where vore is a normal/frequent occurence but only females have the ability/power/whatever the convienent plot excuse is or a giantess-only universe. I get that people don't want to write/draw M pred stuff, but that stuff just unexplicably bugs me.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby Eyefull » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:38 pm

todomatsu wrote:I can't really enjoy fics that take place in a world where vore is a normal/frequent occurence but only females have the ability/power/whatever the convienent plot excuse is or a giantess-only universe. I get that people don't want to write/draw M pred stuff, but that stuff just unexplicably bugs me.

I know the feeling. I prefer female preds over males, but normalizing it and have the rest of society nod along like nothing strange happened gets to me too. In a world where vore is a thing, it should be a secretive and underground. Otherwise all the prey of the world are constantly paranoid and in fear of everything. That's no fun. It's hard enough for most guys to try and ask a girl out now, much less when she can eat him with no ramifications if she feels like it. Granted, in worlds with mixed races (like monster girls) there's a little more leeway. But yeah, in a primarily human world having only one sex be capable of vore is indeed grating.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby EnderDracolich » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:42 pm

I can't personally enjoy anything involving cruelty. Mind you, not all pain and torture is cruelty! I'm a masochist after all! However, when you are hurting someone for fun, without their permission or consent, that's pretty shitty. In fact, for ANYTHING non-consensual to make me NOT hate the predator, it has to be pretty clean and efficient; simple survival, eating for nutrition, not for sexual gratification. If you are going to murder a random stranger for food, don't make them suffer unnecessarily beforehand. If it is consensual, the torture has to be something the prey knew about ahead of time; if someone consents to Vore, but not to being beaten or tortured, you don't beat or torture them! Likewise, if you tell the prey you aren't going to kill them and then you do, that's not cool with me and deeply disturbs me. Betrayal pisses me off. No matter how hot it would otherwise be, if somebody kills or hurts someone who trusted them not to do so, I'm going to absolutely turned off from the whole thing (unless they get their just desserts, [pun intended?] for their evil deed; in that case, I can enjoy a good revenge plot!)

I'm only attracted to fictional characters I would not hate IRL; people who go around committing evil deeds don't really turn me on at all. So yeah, it gets in the way. So many predators are depicted as sociopaths who are totally fine murdering their friends while they beg for mercy! I just don't think that's an accurate reflection of how most people actually ARE; after all most people enjoy sex IRL, but only a minority commit rape. Most people have morals and empathy, and actually care about the people who they are in relationships with. I don't see why Vore should be any different. Characters who get their kink by forcing other people, especially those who trust them, to suffer for their arousal are bad people! (or rather would be, if they were real.)

EDIT: To clarify, since my post is loaded with moral and ethical language, I will provide some hypothetical scenarios to avoid offending anyone.

Example 1:
There is a pred named Sally. Sally tells her girlfriend Jody to climb into her stomach, because everything will be fine, she promises. Jody trusts Sally, so she complies, and climbs inside. Sally decides that she would rather digest Jody than let her out. Sally is a BAD PERSON, and I no longer like Sally. I do not find Sally's behavior to be arousing or attractive. I wish for bad things to befall Sally as the result of her actions. This DOES NOT reflect any animosity toward the person who wrote or drew the story, or to people who enjoy such content! My beef is entirely with the fictional character named Sally.

Example 2:
There is a pred named Sally. Sally tells her girlfriend Jody to climb into her stomach so she can digest her, and is open about her intentions. Jody knows this, but she complies anyway and climbs inside. Sally is a NOT a bad person, and I do not dislike Sally. This isn't actually my personal fetish, but I might still enjoy the story or other stories involving the Sally character.

Example 3:
Sally again. Same scenario as last time. This time, Jody refuses to be eaten, and Sally respects her wishes. Sally is NOT a bad person! As before, I have no bad feelings toward Sally.

Example 4:
Same as above, but Sally eats Jody despite her objections. Sally is a BAD PERSON. I don't like Sally, etc.

Example 5:
This time, we have a pred names Jessy. Because of her unique predator metabolism, she can only survive by eating other people. Jessy isn't interested in eating her friends or loved ones. Instead, she hunts down random strangers and devours them. She is not sadistic and does not prolong their suffering. Jessy is NOT (in my opinion) a bad person.

Example 6:
This time Jessy isn't just a simple predator. She enjoys torturing and mutilating her prey before hand, and prolongs their suffering to sate her fetish for sadism. This makes her a BAD PERSON. I don't like Jessy, etc.

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Sometimes things can get ambiguous. If a pred like my hypothetical Jessy character chooses to lure her prey with promises of safety, but still only kills total strangers and does not prolong their suffering, (and still does it out of biological necessity) I don't really object to that. It's not quite "betrayal" if you are duping random Johns off the street, who you would have murdered anyhow, just to avoid a violent struggle. Generally however, if someone you know thinks you aren't going to hurt them, you really shouldn't do so. This is especially true for predators that only do it for pleasure, rather than biological necessity. In my opinion no predator should ever intentionally prolong the suffering of their prey, unless said prey willingly volunteered for EVERYTHING the predator does to them.

P.S. All of this only applies to sapient/intelligent predators. I don't claim to pass judgement upon simple minded animals. When I lioness eats a zebra, or even a human, it's not murder. Humans and their intellectual equals have special rules because they are capable of *understanding* the harm they are causing, and thus have an obligation to minimize said harm, especially when preying upon other sapient/intelligent entities.

P.P.S. Just to make it TRIPLE clear, I am only condemning the actions of the PREDATORS themselves (AKA the fictional characters people draw/write). I am not condemning the CREATORS (AKA real world people) of these characters! That would be like condemning George Lucas for the actions of Darth Vader!
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby minakotomoka14 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:14 pm

Not really. I don`t get invested in characters in vore stories like I do regular stories. I`m not in it for the feels, I`m in it for the arousal.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby MeTheMe » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:20 pm

Angry, no, not really, I feel sad in most really cruel scenes, and that can hurt a bit of my enjoyment. It doesn't hurt much though, I can compartmentalize the situation and the art, enjoying the spectacle and ignoring the context. I'd never want to tell someone what they wrote or drew is wrong because it made me feel a certain way, I can just accept that some people's work is just not for me.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby EnderDracolich » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:33 pm

minakotomoka14 wrote:Not really. I don`t get invested in characters in vore stories like I do regular stories. I`m not in it for the feels, I`m in it for the arousal.


I think that's actually totally fair. If you choose to see it purely as Pornography, and not as a piece of creative fiction, that will probably effect how you assess the contents of a piece of artwork. I come from a RP-heavy background, and that is actually how I first got interested in this type of content. I tend to look at fictional characters as *characters* first and sex objects second.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby Chameleonette » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:36 pm

Personally, such things actually ADD to the scenarios for me. When things are more 'unfair' or conflicting for the prey, I find writing/depicting their plight and their struggle against the pred to be all the more interesting and appealing. I greatly enjoy giving characters that I play proper fleshing out, and giving them a strong will to live and fight for their survival. That's a big thing for me when writing/RP vore scenarios. However, I view vore entirely as a fantasy - something I would never want to be real or actually experience. On the plane of those fantasy elements, I can safely take it to the darkest places that I want to and enjoy it that way, because it's not harming myself or anyone else.

But I respect that it's different strokes for different folks and everyone has their own views and feelings. The only time I have an issue with it is when numerous people over the years have used what I enjoy to label me as some kind of bad or problematic person in the world simply because of what I enjoy in fantasy (especially since my preference is M/F with unwilling prey). I don't like being made to feel guilty or 'wrong' for enjoying something in a fetish that would be unacceptable realistically---I just like to indulge in my fantasies for what they are and not think that deeply into it or be forced to question myself as a person just because of what I enjoy in a fetish or kinks behind closed doors.

For those that do get upset about those things in vore or can't dissociate them from reality or something, I would just accept that we don't mesh and move on. I have no issue with those who see things differently and as long as they don't take issue with me for what I enjoy or don't enjoy, there's no problem for me in the end. What we find appealing or unappealing, preference-wise, just happens to not fit the same wavelength.
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby EvangelineSkypaw » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:50 pm

This has happened with me a number of times.

I just can't root for the side of evil, y'know? Especially when the situation makes no sense. The invading pred knocking away a gun with its tail before the holder of said gun had time to shoot? And this was after she (the defender) was traumatized by seeing her fellow crewmember preyed upon.

I don't know...

People have always told me that I laugh at everything some moments, and that what I'm angry about is "no big deal" the next.

I'm highly sensitive; that's just part of who I am.

So yes, this affects me a fair bit at times. >.>
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Re: Anger Get In the Way of Your Enjoyment?

Postby Miridium » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:29 pm

Sometimes yes. I don't much care for sadistic psychopathic preds, especially if the are character breaks from established works.
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