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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Doku » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:23 pm

granblue wrote:Most people may be aroused by the concept of domination, but almost nobody (in the grand scheme of things) is aroused by cannibalism or murder. Since fetishes seem to be something you're born with, the percentage of vorarephiles will probably never change.


I wasn't born this way, and not all of us are. It'd be nice if we can stop assuming this sort of thing about others. Fetishes aren't always things you start out with, and for many people I know, they're things you pick up as you explore yourself and your interests change over time.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Spunkomatic66 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:51 pm

Latroma wrote:
granblue wrote:Most people may be aroused by the concept of domination, but almost nobody (in the grand scheme of things) is aroused by cannibalism or murder. Since fetishes seem to be something you're born with, the percentage of vorarephiles will probably never change.


I wasn't born this way, and not all of us are. It'd be nice if we can stop assuming this sort of thing about others. Fetishes aren't always things you start out with, and for many people I know, they're things you pick up as you explore yourself and your interests change over time.


I think what he meant is less that everyone has the fetish immediately or knows it, but more that you're either born with the predisposition of being okay with the fetish or you're not. For example, some people will just never be attracted to feet, no matter what happens, whereas other people have the potential to pick up the fetish.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby fixated1 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:32 pm

sweetladyamy wrote:
ChibiToy wrote:...There are 8 billion people on this planet!


Umm....

Last time I checked, Earth hadn't hit 7 billion yet...


We're at 7.3 billion.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Doku » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:25 pm

Spunkomatic66 wrote:
Latroma wrote:
granblue wrote:Most people may be aroused by the concept of domination, but almost nobody (in the grand scheme of things) is aroused by cannibalism or murder. Since fetishes seem to be something you're born with, the percentage of vorarephiles will probably never change.


I wasn't born this way, and not all of us are. It'd be nice if we can stop assuming this sort of thing about others. Fetishes aren't always things you start out with, and for many people I know, they're things you pick up as you explore yourself and your interests change over time.


I think what he meant is less that everyone has the fetish immediately or knows it, but more that you're either born with the predisposition of being okay with the fetish or you're not. For example, some people will just never be attracted to feet, no matter what happens, whereas other people have the potential to pick up the fetish.


Let me be expressly clear on this: I was not predisposed to like this fetish. I was born, raised and lived as a vanilla boring nerd turned frat-boy until almost my 20th birthday, when I began to actively experiment due to a few of my girlfriends at that time. At that point, and only at that point, did I begin thinking of anything more sexy or unusual than a silk tie as a bondage tool. For the previous 2 decades, the very notion of this as sexy would have solicited revulsion and anger from me, and I might have broken contact with someone.

I know that there are people who get very upset when people tell them "You weren't born that way. It's not genetics, and it's your choice." And, you know what? They're right to get a little pissed off. For some people, their sexual preferences are very much either from genetic predisposition or early formative developments, to varying degrees. Well, guess what? For those of us whose sexuality developed, changed, morphed and was the result of very intentional experiments on our part, for those of us who chose to actively shift our sexuality through experimentation that we never did in our younger years? We get a little offended when people tell us that it wasn't a choice.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby merlovinit » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:00 pm

Latroma wrote:
granblue wrote:Most people may be aroused by the concept of domination, but almost nobody (in the grand scheme of things) is aroused by cannibalism or murder. Since fetishes seem to be something you're born with, the percentage of vorarephiles will probably never change.


I wasn't born this way, and not all of us are. It'd be nice if we can stop assuming this sort of thing about others. Fetishes aren't always things you start out with, and for many people I know, they're things you pick up as you explore yourself and your interests change over time.


This is a pretty interesting post actually. I hadn't really thought of it that way. I did have a vore fetish from a young age, but I also think it has become more developed as I've been exposed to different variations on the fetish and sometimes stuff that didn't used to turn me on will as time passes.

I don't have anything to back this up, but I think fetishes are based in very deep-seated emotional desires. The emotions themselves are fairly specific and only lend themselves to very specific and odd seeming fantasies, such as vore. There are a variety of other fetishes which I also enjoy and none of them would be classified as vore, but in my own mind they trigger a lot of the same emotions that vore does. Some of the examples for me include people being turned into statues or frozen somehow, being permanently restrained (or for a very long time) and unable to move freely, or being suffocated somehow.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Doku » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:39 pm

And if we're speaking of personal, emotional desires/experiences, no emotion I know of that is particularly strong has anything to do with anything related to these fetishes. It develops very much at a later period. Our personal experiences are not the same thing as other peoples' personal experiences.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby ChibiToy » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:19 pm

Yea, it's been a while since I last looked and was just guessing from how our numbers developed these past years :P But at the beginning of 2017 it was almost 7,5 billion so I guess we're not far from 8 billion till the end of the year.

To this burning discussion here. I voiced my opinion in another thread already(Short: I side with the latent potential thingie) Now we have heard enough opinions and if we are interested to get this discussion somewhat forward, either side has to find at least some sort of a more solid argument.

Also Latroma, no need to feel offended by an opinion which is "we have the unaware potential for certain likes in our subconsciousness"... >.>
If I may ask since I fail to understand, why are you getting offended by this statement?
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Doku » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:22 pm

ChibiToy wrote:Also Latroma, no need to feel offended by an opinion which is "we have the unaware potential for certain likes in our subconsciousness"... >.>
If I may ask since I fail to understand, why are you getting offended by this statement?


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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Spunkomatic66 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:53 pm

At that point, and only at that point, did I begin thinking of anything more sexy or unusual than a silk tie as a bondage tool.


Okay, but if you had no potential to warm up to the fetish at all, that never would have happened. You'd still be grossed out by it. So you did have some disposition to the fetish, it just never manifested until later in your life.

You don't get to choose your subconscious desires and I don't know why you're convinced that you were in control of when you decided to be aroused by various things. It's not like you woke up one day and thought to yourself, "you know what, I am going to be turned on by X from now on". That's not how sexuality works. You can try something new and find that you might like it, you can try something old again and find that you like it now, but you can't just choose to be sexually aroused by anything or to not be sexually aroused by anything.

I honestly don't understand why that bothers you, so maybe an explanation might help me understand where you're coming from, but it seems like fairly basic logic to me. Nobody has ever in the history of the human race been able to decide on their own what they get wet over. Not even when you factor in personal experience. Personal experience might contribute some, but that still doesn't make it a choice that people have conscious control over.

for those of us who chose to actively shift our sexuality through experimentation


Again, choosing to experiment and choosing to be turned on aren't the same thing. You can put yourself in the position to be turned on by something all you want, and you can open your mind up to the concept, but if you have no sexual desire for it at all then all the experimentation in the world won't change that. For example, no straight person can force themselves to be gay no matter how much they experiment or open their mind to the idea, or visa versa. It just won't happen unless the potential has always been there.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Doku » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Spunkomatic66 wrote:Okay, but if you had no potential to warm up to the fetish at all, that never would have happened. You'd still be grossed out by it. So you did have some disposition to the fetish, it just never manifested until later in your life.

You don't get to choose your subconscious desires and I don't know why you're convinced that you were in control of when you decided to be aroused by various things. It's not like you woke up one day and thought to yourself, "you know what, I am going to be turned on by X from now on". That's not how sexuality works. You can try something new and find that you might like it, you can try something old again and find that you like it now, but you can't just choose to be sexually aroused by anything or to not be sexually aroused by anything.

I honestly don't understand why that bothers you, so maybe an explanation might help me understand where you're coming from, but it seems like fairly basic logic to me. Nobody has ever in the history of the human race been able to decide on their own what they get wet over. Not even when you factor in personal experience. Personal experience might contribute some, but that still doesn't make it a choice that people have conscious control over.


Conditioned Response through Exposure is not only a basic logic but well studied through men like Pavlov. It is not so simplistic as ringing a bell, but a person through exposure (which is what exploration can be) can change what they associate various practices, visuals and activities with. Conditioned Response is not agreed upon by all psychologists, and there is a lot of literature on Nature v Nurture, but ultimately any serious study of the extensive literature opens the subject up to the recognition that both environmental conditions and genetic predisposition are involved, sometimes more in favor of one, sometimes more in favor of another. Nature v Nurture is not some black and white, one-side or another perspective, and we are not merely the product of our inherited thought process or early foundations. If digestion itself can be affected through conditioning, so too can arousal.

It's not as simple as a bell, but maybe my intentional decades of personal exploration is not something I like other people discounting as "You were just predisposed to be that way." I sure didn't react well to the GLBTA in my community when I shifted from a 0 to a 2 during my college years through active exploration and self-exposure to homoerotic material/activity I found repulsive in my younger years. They didn't like it when I said "This was my choice" with pride in my voice, but I've found that other bisexuals like me weren't well received in the GLBTA generally. We don't suit their bottom line as activists well. Just like some gay people don't appreciate being told "It's a choice," I don't appreciate being told "it wasn't a choice." I know people who were born with homosexual urges. It was very much genetic to them. I wasn't born bi. I was born straight, and I openly explored sexuality in college through personal exposure, for personal reasons that are, quite frankly, none of your damned business. But it was my choice. Your subconscious is not hard-coded and hard-wired into your brain. We grew past that viewpoint with Freud's death. Even his students didn't believe that it was as hard-wired as he thought it was as a response.

You want it simply? I'm not a Determinist, and I'm proud of my conscious explorations in my 20s. I don't like being told this wasn't my choice. I never have. personal experience doesn't 'help some.' Personal experience can be drastically life-altering, especially if it is engaged intentionally, with assistance.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Jayezox » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:55 am

@Latroma

By reading your posts it seems vore is more of a kink to you than a fetish. I know it's not all black and white, but vore being secondary and experimental definitely fits being a kink more than a fetish.

I definitely agree with the notion that we have choices though. Even though vore is a fetish and I can't stop having it, I choose to incorporate it into other things to expand my horizon and keep things fresh.

I would say the way we play our cards is more important than what we're dealt.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Spunkomatic66 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:23 pm

Latroma wrote: I'm not a Determinist

Personal experience can be drastically life-altering


The thing that I'm saying though is that those two things aren't mutually exclusive. You can have drastic, life-altering personal experiences and still be bound by the limitations of physical reality. Unless you sat down and said "I"m bi now" and then suddenly you were bi just like that, you didn't choose to be bi. You chose to condition yourself to accept your deeply-buried bi urges that you discovered through experience. That's simply not the same thing, and I don't mean to sound insensitive, but it doesn't matter whether or not you appreciate that. I don't appreciate being unable to choose to fly, but the fact is that I'm unable to choose to fly.

EDIT: I shortened this post greatly just now to save space, sorry if anyone was inconvenienced by this
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Chozo » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:18 pm

UnknownSource wrote:But how exactly would a giantess vore author ever become mainstream? People in this world are still racist, in my opinion I don't think they'll be ready to accept people with fetish's anytime soon.


Sure, they will. Just have it cater to their racism (ie: one race vores another) and then they'll be accepting of it. Problem solved.

No one even has to know a fetish is involved. When Honey I Shrunk the kids was in theaters did anyone go "oh my god this is obscene pornography!" at the part where the kid almost gets eaten in the cereal? No. It simply does not even register as a fetish at all to the vast majority of people. Fetishes (and especially obscure ones, like vore) can exist by hiding in plain sight. The vast majority won't recognize it as fetish material, and no one would even care.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby DeuceMicro » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:17 pm

I think the future of giantess vore is like a singularity, we have no way of knowing what will happen and the repercussions until after we're on the other side of the singularity, but I do believe entertainment will be drastically affected by giantess vore in the near future.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby DeuceMicro » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:32 pm

"Trolls" was the first example of vore being considered a normal fact of life, and I think there will be more films in the near future that show vore as a normal facet of life
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby fixated1 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:41 pm

DeuceMicro wrote:I think the future of giantess vore is like a singularity, we have no way of knowing what will happen and the repercussions until after we're on the other side of the singularity, but I do believe entertainment will be drastically affected by giantess vore in the near future.


I'm sorry, I still don't see it.
DeuceMicro wrote:"Trolls" was the first example of vore being considered a normal fact of life, and I think there will be more films in the near future that show vore as a normal facet of life


Soylent Green was before that. So was I am Legend and Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead. And Dracula and Kronos. And probably a million other stories. Stop referencing Trolls and Trolls 2! I want to start referencing Chopping Mall!
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby DeuceMicro » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:28 pm

fixated1 wrote:
DeuceMicro wrote:I think the future of giantess vore is like a singularity, we have no way of knowing what will happen and the repercussions until after we're on the other side of the singularity, but I do believe entertainment will be drastically affected by giantess vore in the near future.


I'm sorry, I still don't see it.
DeuceMicro wrote:"Trolls" was the first example of vore being considered a normal fact of life, and I think there will be more films in the near future that show vore as a normal facet of life


Soylent Green was before that. So was I am Legend and Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead. And Dracula and Kronos. And probably a million other stories. Stop referencing Trolls and Trolls 2! I want to start referencing Chopping Mall!


If people within the giantess vore community came together and submitted screenplays that could be taken seriously by writers agents, we could see some real changes in Hollywood instead of being unparticipating consumers. A small percentage of writers in the vore community could actually write a good vore screenplay and get it sold.
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby coop500 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:19 pm

Now I don't know squat about all this future of the vore stuff, but I gotta ask.... Why only the giantess community? Wouldn't it be better if all vore artists were involved and not just giantess?
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby DeuceMicro » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:28 pm

coop500 wrote:Now I don't know squat about all this future of the vore stuff, but I gotta ask.... Why only the giantess community? Wouldn't it be better if all vore artists were involved and not just giantess?


Sure, I specifically mentioned the giantess variety because that's my specialty but all forms of vore are welcome
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Re: What is the future of vore?

Postby Seelane » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:15 am

[quote="Latroma"][quote="Spunkomatic66"][quote="Latroma"]



The thruth is that you are born with it, but it normally won't manifest until later in development, kind of like mental illness/disorder. Its because it is in your dna structure, the same way with blue eye(although it is an illusion that they are blue... kind of like green leaf...).It is also possible to develop vorarephilia at a young age(13-) it just won't be in a sexual way(I developed it at around 4-6 years old). You can still subconsciously choose to like vore as complimentary of another "fetish".(exemple:tentacles, bdsm, scat, neo-hemo, etc...)
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