Artists nuking their galleries??

[kongpow]

Why are people saying you are automatically considered acting entitled when someone deletes their stuff and it is annoying to you? I guess that means I was very entitled when my cat pushed my coffee off the table? I was also very entitled a few weeks ago when someone bought me a computer and it stopped working the first time I turned it on.

Some quality logic going on here I see...

[zerothx16]

Why are people saying you are automatically considered acting entitled when someone deletes their stuff and it is annoying to you? I guess that means I was very entitled when my cat pushed my coffee off the table? I was also very entitled a few weeks ago when someone bought me a computer and it stopped working the first time I turned it on.

Some quality logic going on here I see...

Thank you, I try my best :)

[Meloeatta]

You're not entitled to an artists art. If they wanna delete everything you like from their gallery and only leave the stuff you hate in their gallery, they can do that.
If they want to nuke their entire gallery to be safe, it's their choice too.

who are you responding to because id like to think that wasnt the tone i was trying to set with this post--


yikes this topic got
really bad
is this whole forum like this i never used it before jesus christ

anyway uh until further notice
:pray: rip waffle's art until further notice
it died as it lived
being stuck on ekas portal

[Merodi]

You're not entitled to an artists art. If they wanna delete everything you like from their gallery and only leave the stuff you hate in their gallery, they can do that.
If they want to nuke their entire gallery to be safe, it's their choice too.

who are you responding to because id like to think that wasnt the tone i was trying to set with this post--


yikes this topic got
really bad
is this whole forum like this i never used it before jesus christ

anyway uh until further notice
:pray: rip waffle's art until further notice
it died as it lived
being stuck on ekas portal

Not you in particular, don't worry.

[Slayerhero90]

You're not entitled to an artists art. If they wanna delete everything you like from their gallery and only leave the stuff you hate in their gallery, they can do that.
If they want to nuke their entire gallery to be safe, it's their choice too.

who are you responding to because id like to think that wasnt the tone i was trying to set with this post--


yikes this topic got
really bad
is this whole forum like this i never used it before jesus christ

anyway uh until further notice
:pray: rip waffle's art until further notice
it died as it lived
being stuck on ekas portal

it's how it is here, right up until eka lays down the hammer. fetishes do not foster healthy communities, especially where moderation is... not really performed regularly, by script or hand

you can evade a lot of frustration if you recognize that a fraction of the vocal community consists of actual children who lied to the machine to get on this site, another fraction's full of socially-inept adult-children, and a third fraction has such a tenuous grasp on english that they don't really comprehend anything you say, leaving our fourth category: people with whom you are able to have deep, worthwhile conversations with

i do not know for sure that i don't myself qualify as that second category, two-years-NEET that i am, but i strive to align myself with the fourth

[iasiney]

I guess the artist didn't just get enough love from everyone else.

[iasiney]

double yikes
id like to think that isnt the case most of the time

i wasnt trying to make this for "waah people deleted their galleries how dare they deprive me of my fetish art!!" reasons i was just worried if something happened to them or what they decided to do or if they're moving to a new site or something
ive reached out to one of them so im just
devilishly curious to what happened to the other artist

I personally get really annoyed with people deleting their stuff. Its like they don't think like... at all before they put their stuff up. I am a firm believer that anything created should be archived and not be erased. It doesn't matter how important or weird it is, it is important to not erase stuff from history.

If the art must exist for history, I myself am for socialism for artists in the practical here and now. IMHO, If the people think that the art is worthy of existing in the public, then the people should help those artists out. I mean, ask yourself, would you let your favorite artist on here move in and be a roomate because the artist can afford housing. Would you like your taxpayer money to go to housing your favorite artists in public housing (a social stigma to live in public housing but better than homelessness)?

Geeze, whoever heard about having your favorite artist over for dinner when they're on food stamps.

I mean I myself do not have art that's really any good and most people tell me that. But, I would rather see the actual good hard-working artists not be homeless. That's how I see it in my muddled view of the world and economy.

Oh what do I know. I barely practice what I preach anyways. I had to learn to actually be nice to people and learn charity. Sure there was the gift and giving in my family but not much charity and at points we were poor enough we needed our own help. I had to have other people and conventions teach me that. My parents always taught me that having a lot of money and a stable job is the way to go. Art, especially writing was totally not what they meant.

[zerothx16]

it's how it is here, right up until eka lays down the hammer. fetishes do not foster healthy communities, especially where moderation is... not really performed regularly, by script or hand

you can evade a lot of frustration if you recognize that a fraction of the vocal community consists of actual children who lied to the machine to get on this site, another fraction's full of socially-inept adult-children, and a third fraction has such a tenuous grasp on english that they don't really comprehend anything you say, leaving our fourth category: people with whom you are able to have deep, worthwhile conversations with

i do not know for sure that i don't myself qualify as that second category, two-years-NEET that i am, but i strive to align myself with the fourth

I for one am not for censorship, it's better to have people talk freely without feeling like they have to walk on eggshells. Sure I have my struggles but I was indeed wanting to be in the last category until drama wanted to be had. People here certainly do have a big problem with archival to which I was speaking in general terms. Even if a lot of people don't agree with preserving history, there is some small merit in it. If people are willing to take my opinion as that and move on, I will as well. Even though I was not expecting I would trigger some people, I thoroughly enjoyed reading about other prospectives. Whether my side is liked or not seeing different sides is important for a good conversation.

[soline]

Lets all take a nice deep breath here. This is a potentially interesting topic and a good page seems to have been dedicated to off-topic bickering, I'd hate to see Eka drop the ban-hammer on this thread if it keeps up. Zerothx16, Perhaps you should consider your words more carefully: No one is condemning your opinion per-se, I happen to agree in principle, but it's the way you're conveying it that is getting people's backs up.


On-Topic: I sit on both sides of the fence. I completely understand people nuking their galleries and people do it for swathes of reasons. Sometimes their country's laws change and they clear out any trace of things that might have criminalized them, sometimes they fall victim to depression and mental illness, sometimes they finally succeed in making it big IRL and can't risk their artistic style being traced, sometimes they develop their art style dramatically and don't want to be remembered for the old crap. I know people who have erased their media for all of these reasons and I'm sure there are endlessly more. At the end of the day it's their artwork, their creations, their intellectual property and they can do what they please with it. To say they must keep it archived for the public's benefit is ridiculous, companies don't keep their old logos 'archived' for public remembrance, Firefox isn't obligated to maintain archived copies of it's source code from old editions, they just update that shit and roll it out.

That said, I still hate it. If I ever felt like I'd reached a distinct milestone in my illustrations or stories the most I would do is relegate the old crap to an 'old' folder. After watching several artists nuke their content, before the rise of archival sites like e621 and gelbooru, before I thought to save their images, before there was any hope of rediscovering them (Seriously, there are still several images I remember SO clearly and just don't exist at all anymore.) I started saving just about every image I like.
Just vore content I have 50,000+ files saved

[zerothx16]

Lets all take a nice deep breath here. This is a potentially interesting topic and a good page seems to have been dedicated to off-topic bickering, I'd hate to see Eka drop the ban-hammer on this thread if it keeps up. Zerothx16, Perhaps you should consider your words more carefully: No one is condemning your opinion per-se, I happen to agree in principle, but it's the way you're conveying it that is getting people's backs up.


On-Topic: I sit on both sides of the fence. I completely understand people nuking their galleries and people do it for swathes of reasons. Sometimes their country's laws change and they clear out any trace of things that might have criminalized them, sometimes they fall victim to depression and mental illness, sometimes they finally succeed in making it big IRL and can't risk their artistic style being traced, sometimes they develop their art style dramatically and don't want to be remembered for the old crap. I know people who have erased their media for all of these reasons and I'm sure there are endlessly more. At the end of the day it's their artwork, their creations, their intellectual property and they can do what they please with it. To say they must keep it archived for the public's benefit is ridiculous, companies don't keep their old logos 'archived' for public remembrance, Firefox isn't obligated to maintain archived copies of it's source code from old editions, they just update that shit and roll it out.

That said, I still hate it. If I ever felt like I'd reached a distinct milestone in my illustrations or stories the most I would do is relegate the old crap to an 'old' folder. After watching several artists nuke their content, before the rise of archival sites like e621 and gelbooru, before I thought to save their images, before there was any hope of rediscovering them (Seriously, there are still several images I remember SO clearly and just don't exist at all anymore.) I started saving just about every image I like.
Just vore content I have 50,000+ files saved :silly:

I am still not seeing how I upset anybody. I am sorry if I actually really presented my point of view poorly, but this is the internet you don't even have to try to upset people. I am done with this thread anyway. I learned I might need jaw surgery so that's what I rather worry about. Thank you for your point of view, as I said I do appreciate another point of view, and it was nice to read yours.

[Dekkard2]

I nuked my gallery on my first account here and nuked most of my deviant art account mainly because at the time I uploaded my old stuff I was dumb enough to sign my actual name to my work. This was done with the foolish thought process that I would be able to make money off of said art. So now I sign my pen name/ username instead of my actual signature. Plus my old stuff was TERRIBLE. I do occasionally go back to my old stuff to redraw it with the skill I have now.

[AutumnFerret]

yeah I hate it when that happens. I've gotten into the habit of saving anything I really like to an sd card just in case

[Kirah]

That's why I always save everything nowadays. Tired of artists nuking good work. Stopped following HungrySuccubus because of that, too. They had some really good older art pieces, but they thought it was trash and thus had to be deleted off the face of the Earth.

[coop500]

I know nothing of the artists the OP is asking about so I can't help in that department, sorry.

But one thing I'd like to mention that no one has really addressed yet is I have considered nuking a lot of my older stuff on DA (none of it is here) because people keep commenting and faving the really old cringy stuff (I don't like using that word but it's true) and it does actually hurt a bit when people keep showing more attention to stuff you made years ago that had a lot less effort put into than what you make now, despite the content being relatively the same, the only main difference is a different character is used.

I used to have a character named Tyrone, still sort of do I suppose but I felt at this point I outgrew him, however people keep bringing him up, asking when I'll work on more content of him and it's very stressful to know that I won't ever be able to fully get out of his shadow, which is why I considered deleting everything involving him and that timeline.

All in all, what I'm trying to say is that while people do have a lot of reasons that might not even involve the fans, sometimes it can be the fans that drive the artists to do it, so maybe think twice before you repeatedly ask or guilt them about something. I know most people will never intend to cause stress to the artist, but as someone mentioned here most artists have ow self esteem or are easily stressed or something and the last thing we need is people nagging at us about something we don't want to do, whether it be people that wanted to try doing different kinds of content or people that just want to stop using a popular character, a fanbase can be relentless and can make people flee.

[MeltyCG]

Sometimes contracts require artists to nuke their work or their agents make them in order to sign onto a deal. This is not only for artists with fetish art. At times this is with clean art. Writers, musicians, youtubers, actors, you name it if you are in an industry for entertainment sometimes you need to burn your past.

Reasons I have nuked my art in the past.

#1:
Start: Did artwork as a kid/teen to get girls to like me. Was a terrible artists at the time but I had all kinds of girls into said fetish all over me. Was great for a time... UNTIL!!!
Reason For Leaving: Became known in person by the community. Deleted all my work in that community to gain privacy back. (Imposers posing as me reposted my stuff later soiling my name. Had to do a lot to get that stuff deleted.)

#2:
Start: Needed money so I returned to do commissions. Built up a name in the community and became rather popular (The most popular I have ever been.)
Reason For Leaving: Had sexual addiction issues and was trying to save my failing relationship. So in order to get away I deleted everything to prove to my girlfriend at the time I was done. I was for some time too.

#3:
Start: Said person wanted me to reclaim my community in fetish art to boost their sales for doing fetish videos.
Reason For Leaving: Went pro keeping certain character designs for future works. (Turned out successful for a time too. Until my health failed.)

#4
Start: Needed money to pay bills while I was in and out of the hospital with medical conditions. Did commissions for a while.
Reason For Leaving: Decided to re-brand myself and get away from the old brand.

Why I am here now?
I am just a casual person. I do artwork every now and then for fun, however I am not really here for anything. Got a cute girl or two that keep me around. I RP occasionally, sometimes exchanging artwork or stories for things from others. Will I nuke my gallery again? Most likely not. Am I afraid of being exposed, sure but if it happens I am just going to say "It's normal for a man." and watch the world burst into flames.

To those saying they save peoples work. That is fine for your own personal stuff but don't repost it. Some artist who are in the industry can be fired over that stuff. If that happens YOU the reposter are responsible for that, and in fact you can and should be sued for that. In the US you are legally liable for damages, damages in that case would be if they had continued their contract with said company. If the contract is an ongoing one you could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not to mention further copyright violation charges for each individual picture. You are not free and clear because something is not monetized. Be warned.

[Dekkard2]

good point Melty

[iasiney]

Lets all take a nice deep breath here. This is a potentially interesting topic and a good page seems to have been dedicated to off-topic bickering, I'd hate to see Eka drop the ban-hammer on this thread if it keeps up. Zerothx16, Perhaps you should consider your words more carefully: No one is condemning your opinion per-se, I happen to agree in principle, but it's the way you're conveying it that is getting people's backs up.


On-Topic: I sit on both sides of the fence. I completely understand people nuking their galleries and people do it for swathes of reasons. Sometimes their country's laws change and they clear out any trace of things that might have criminalized them, sometimes they fall victim to depression and mental illness, sometimes they finally succeed in making it big IRL and can't risk their artistic style being traced, sometimes they develop their art style dramatically and don't want to be remembered for the old crap. I know people who have erased their media for all of these reasons and I'm sure there are endlessly more. At the end of the day it's their artwork, their creations, their intellectual property and they can do what they please with it. To say they must keep it archived for the public's benefit is ridiculous, companies don't keep their old logos 'archived' for public remembrance, Firefox isn't obligated to maintain archived copies of it's source code from old editions, they just update that shit and roll it out.

That said, I still hate it. If I ever felt like I'd reached a distinct milestone in my illustrations or stories the most I would do is relegate the old crap to an 'old' folder. After watching several artists nuke their content, before the rise of archival sites like e621 and gelbooru, before I thought to save their images, before there was any hope of rediscovering them (Seriously, there are still several images I remember SO clearly and just don't exist at all anymore.) I started saving just about every image I like.
Just vore content I have 50,000+ files saved

I am still not seeing how I upset anybody. I am sorry if I actually really presented my point of view poorly, but this is the internet you don't even have to try to upset people. I am done with this thread anyway. I learned I might need jaw surgery so that's what I rather worry about. Thank you for your point of view, as I said I do appreciate another point of view, and it was nice to read yours.

Anyways, sorry if I came across as too harsh and upsetting with my socialism thing. I like to look at different sides. I'll look at it from the capitalistic side here. I usually have a hard time going settling on a point of view. I'd say, I'd like to respect the artist's wishes, the person before the art. That seems much more polite to me.

I remember trashing my writing when I was younger. My mom didn't really kick up a fuss, and the excuse, I think, came down to not really caring about it anymore. As far as galleries go, I took a bunch of pictures at Anthrocon 2012 and put those on my FA account. I couldn't think to trash my gallery now because those pictures are history and generally for the community anyways.

I think, with topics such as this, that copyright comes to it. I like to drop down on the side of copyright. I think copyright also includes the right to how, where, when, etc. their work is archived. Say you have an EU artist. Then, finding out that their artwork was archived is potentially a breach of privacy or the "right not to be known about". Now, I realize that archiving for personal use isn't going to get many artists up in a rage but some might.

Also, the consideration is that artists might be bought out or have a contractual obligation as some have been saying here. Michael Jackson owned the rights to the beatles music. Maybe someone with a small fortune likes vore and decides to buy out the copyrights of your favorite artist. Not much likely. Still, fair use is what it does come down to.

I think how I really feel about it I'll give an example that happened to me. I saved a bunch of GIllpanda's artwork over on FA. The artist said one day that they'd lost some art. So I put up a link to what I'd saved. It wasn't everything. I don't know if I got a response. I felt guilty, though, like I'd stolen (despite fair use) something and that maybe the artist was baiting to see how much people had taken to call them out. I don't save people's art anymore. I recently met the artist for real at Anthrocon this year and starting rattling away this situation and the words out of my mouth was: yeah, I saved it for some reason. I couldn't even say seriously why I saved it. It still brought on some guilt with me.

Anyways, to stay on topic. I say that yes, it is the artist's decision what to put up and archive and take down. It's a darn shame they decide to take down their whole art gallery.

But, as for me, I've taken whole galleries down before of my own stuff for various reasons. I think it's because: When I was younger and just realizing that I liked vore, I was also heart sick because I couldn't find an artist friend or writer friend to swap stories with or do some collabs with. As a result, critique wasn't as personally meaningful for me. I haven't ever really reckoned how to balance and seperate support, love, and critique when it comes to things I've written or drawn. That'd be the biggest reason why I would take down my gallery or things I've done.

[MeltyCG]

Lets all take a nice deep breath here. This is a potentially interesting topic and a good page seems to have been dedicated to off-topic bickering, I'd hate to see Eka drop the ban-hammer on this thread if it keeps up. Zerothx16, Perhaps you should consider your words more carefully: No one is condemning your opinion per-se, I happen to agree in principle, but it's the way you're conveying it that is getting people's backs up.


On-Topic: I sit on both sides of the fence. I completely understand people nuking their galleries and people do it for swathes of reasons. Sometimes their country's laws change and they clear out any trace of things that might have criminalized them, sometimes they fall victim to depression and mental illness, sometimes they finally succeed in making it big IRL and can't risk their artistic style being traced, sometimes they develop their art style dramatically and don't want to be remembered for the old crap. I know people who have erased their media for all of these reasons and I'm sure there are endlessly more. At the end of the day it's their artwork, their creations, their intellectual property and they can do what they please with it. To say they must keep it archived for the public's benefit is ridiculous, companies don't keep their old logos 'archived' for public remembrance, Firefox isn't obligated to maintain archived copies of it's source code from old editions, they just update that shit and roll it out.

That said, I still hate it. If I ever felt like I'd reached a distinct milestone in my illustrations or stories the most I would do is relegate the old crap to an 'old' folder. After watching several artists nuke their content, before the rise of archival sites like e621 and gelbooru, before I thought to save their images, before there was any hope of rediscovering them (Seriously, there are still several images I remember SO clearly and just don't exist at all anymore.) I started saving just about every image I like.
Just vore content I have 50,000+ files saved

I am still not seeing how I upset anybody. I am sorry if I actually really presented my point of view poorly, but this is the internet you don't even have to try to upset people. I am done with this thread anyway. I learned I might need jaw surgery so that's what I rather worry about. Thank you for your point of view, as I said I do appreciate another point of view, and it was nice to read yours.

Anyways, sorry if I came across as too harsh and upsetting with my socialism thing. I like to look at different sides. I'll look at it from the capitalistic side here. I usually have a hard time going settling on a point of view. I'd say, I'd like to respect the artist's wishes, the person before the art. That seems much more polite to me.

I remember trashing my writing when I was younger. My mom didn't really kick up a fuss, and the excuse, I think, came down to not really caring about it anymore. As far as galleries go, I took a bunch of pictures at Anthrocon 2012 and put those on my FA account. I couldn't think to trash my gallery now because those pictures are history and generally for the community anyways.

I think, with topics such as this, that copyright comes to it. I like to drop down on the side of copyright. I think copyright also includes the right to how, where, when, etc. their work is archived. Say you have an EU artist. Then, finding out that their artwork was archived is potentially a breach of privacy or the "right not to be known about". Now, I realize that archiving for personal use isn't going to get many artists up in a rage but some might.

Also, the consideration is that artists might be bought out or have a contractual obligation as some have been saying here. Michael Jackson owned the rights to the beatles music. Maybe someone with a small fortune likes vore and decides to buy out the copyrights of your favorite artist. Not much likely. Still, fair use is what it does come down to.

I think how I really feel about it I'll give an example that happened to me. I saved a bunch of GIllpanda's artwork over on FA. The artist said one day that they'd lost some art. So I put up a link to what I'd saved. It wasn't everything. I don't know if I got a response. I felt guilty, though, like I'd stolen (despite fair use) something and that maybe the artist was baiting to see how much people had taken to call them out. I don't save people's art anymore. I recently met the artist for real at Anthrocon this year and starting rattling away this situation and the words out of my mouth was: yeah, I saved it for some reason. I couldn't even say seriously why I saved it. It still brought on some guilt with me.

Anyways, to stay on topic. I say that yes, it is the artist's decision what to put up and archive and take down. It's a darn shame they decide to take down their whole art gallery.

But, as for me, I've taken whole galleries down before of my own stuff for various reasons. I think it's because: When I was younger and just realizing that I liked vore, I was also heart sick because I couldn't find an artist friend or writer friend to swap stories with or do some collabs with. As a result, critique wasn't as personally meaningful for me. I haven't ever really reckoned how to balance and seperate support, love, and critique when it comes to things I've written or drawn. That'd be the biggest reason why I would take down my gallery or things I've done.

The much stronger likelihood of the copyright mention is a company buys the artists future and previous works. This is very common in the industry. That would include vore art, even if that is not what the company is buying. When people hire artists they generally are not hiring them for their genre of work but rather their quality of work. While vore artists here do vore art most of the talented ones have ventures elsewhere other than this community. It is highly possible that any one of us if persuading careers by the industry are hired their gallery will be gone tomorrow. I know some artist on here that are rather um... how should I say this, famous, in certain circles. Names you might know even from television or comics or anime and the such. This place is full of broad circles.

[GastricAztec]

Writers do this too, there was a writer named MangaFan65 who wrote a shrinking story (without vore) called “When girlscouts attack” and he took down the story at each site he posted the story at. This is one reason people should comment on stories and art that we like, so we don’t lose another contributor.

[MechaSharkZilla]

Writers do this too, there was a writer named MangaFan65 who wrote a shrinking story (without vore) called “When girlscouts attack” and he took down the story at each site he posted the story at. This is one reason people should comment on stories and art that we like, so we don’t lose another contributor.

Oh. Wow. That name is a blast from the past. I'd wondered what happened to that story. Even went hunting with the Wayback Machine and never found a trace of it, so I'd just assumed I'd combined a few other stories I'd read in my mind and was misremembering it.