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Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Brazzel » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:32 am

For the writers and erotica consumers out there: I was wondering how many of the stories you write/consume are fetish based or plot based and which you think is more engaging?

I have read and written a ton of stories on this site and I still can't answer the question myself. Sometimes there are 1k word stories filled with ball-slapping sex, kinky digestion, lavish descriptions of throat-play and they end up being more interesting than the 20k word slogs describing all of the inner-workings of a custom vore universe.

I think that this is half to do with the writer and half to do with the consumer. A great writer, such as Aces with their Guts and Glory series, can make an interesting and successful long-form story because readers are willing to invest time in their work. The story is sexy, fun and explores an already established setting. However, a writer can also fall into the trap where they spend hours/days writing a really interesting plot that eventually leads to vore, but nobody reads it because it takes too long to get to the fetishy stuff. That's not the reader's fault. This is a site for vore and you can't fault someone for just wanting to get their jollies off to monster-girl soccer mom's shoving their cheating husband's escorts into their hooch.

Is there a happy medium to explore? What are your thoughts?
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby lolhaxman » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:55 am

As a consumer, expectations are highly mood based. As an aspiring vore writer, this exact balance is what's kept me from finishing and posting so much of my work.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Brazzel » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:06 pm

lolhaxman wrote:As a consumer, expectations are highly mood based. As an aspiring vore writer, this exact balance is what's kept me from finishing and posting so much of my work.


I think that one of the things that makes it difficult is that unlike other creative mediums, erotica doesn't really get shared. There is no system where posts with lots of views and favorites make it to the top of the algorithm because there is no algorithm. It's all based on the time posted and the tags used. Fetish stories usually have a lot of different tags, which means that people can find them easily. Plot stories don't. It just interests me because erotic novels sell pretty well, and they usually have some modicum of plot. But I guess they also fulfill a TON of fetishes. It's interesting.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby MechaSharkZilla » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:38 pm

I'd rather read a long, well detailed romance story over a short, straight-to-the-erotic-bits story any day, TBH.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby joyrider1986 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:42 pm

I tried myself at creating, both with to-the-point and a little detailed storries and i like to write with a little more detail more.

As consumer i would say it very much depends in the writer and the style of writing. I like a good mix of detailes and story with a good amount of vore plot. I read stories so long i just wished for them to end to get to the intersting point and its more exhausting than fun when the vore scene is just a few short sentences in a 20 page story. Others can create in very few words a very hot and still intersting plot and again others write very short with no intesting plot at all.
Maybe a good lenght is between 2-3000 words to have enough plot and details in there and a good long vore scene.

Of course everyone has his own personal likes and dislikes, so writer and reader have to match
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby VaguenessIncoming » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:21 pm

I'm going to speak as both a creator and a consumer, because what I like writing and what I like reading are pretty much the same.

I'm sure there's ways to maximize exposure and appealing to the biggest possible amount of people, if that's where you want to take it. There's certainly nothing wrong with that - having more people enjoy your work is a good thing.

That said, there's a thing that a chef friend of mine told me once that stuck with me, and I find explains how I feel about standalone lewd/vore scenes. He said, "once you make a pot of soup for the first time, every time after that, you're always making that same pot of soup.", or something to that effect. I feel similarly about vore or smut without context. It's fun, but becomes very repetitive for me as a writer, to the point where I start feeling like I'm just going through the motions.

My stories are very often long, and not everyone is going to enjoy that. It's a valid stance to have for those who don't have a lot of time or patience to spend reading! But I enjoy writing stories, characters, plots, and worlds, because I feel that they add meaning to those 'core' scenes when they do happen. Anything less rings hollow to me. And in the end, when I have the choice, I'll write what I find the most fun and creatively fulfilling, and trust that it will appeal to people who appreciate my work for what it is and not for what it could or should be.

I find it telling that a lot of my commissioners end up preferring stories without any explicit vore scenes, or with vore as a set-up or worldbuilding/storytelling tool rather than an end goal. Shows that the demand is out there, even if it's not what the majority prefers.

That was a lot of rambling, but tl;dr: everyone should create what they like and what brings them joy. If they do it well and with gusto, those who enjoy their work will come. There is no right way to do things - the world of fiction and art, like nature, has niches to be filled, and there's a place for almost everything out there and in here.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Lenumanuma » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:21 pm

I just enjoy writing and developing a plot. The vore part for me is secondary, but I do try my best to make that enjoyable as well.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Tyslan03 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:31 pm

I'll be honest, I visit a fetish site to get off. So when I write, I try to keep it short enough to enjoy in a reasonable amount of time. If I'm feeling horny, I don't really want to invest an hour of reading to deal with it. I aim for about 3K words in my stories.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Artemis » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:55 pm

If I didn't want to think, I'd prefer to be viewing images. Images without text. I don't know, reading just gets in the way if all I want is a cheap thrill, y'know? I like my vore writing at least semi-coherent and semi-immersive. I don't know about expansive or deep plots, but outright porn logic doesn't often work for me.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby tonym » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:34 pm

I usually see it as a "matter of Mood at the time" sort of deal, but I will admit if a story is engaging enough, I can wait for a long time to get to the "point" of it.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby ItsSomething » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:54 pm

Well, as a writer and consumer, the difference between a fetish-fuel story and a plot story is like the difference between potato chips and a high-class dessert. To take an analogy from Egoraptor, fetish-fuel is like chips: Fairly easy to make, and quick to absent-mindedly consume. They're cheap, too, because they're so easy to make. You get through it and forget.

Plot stories are like a high-class dessert: You take it slow, savor it, and at the end, you're satisfied. Chips sate the hunger, but the dessert also sates the soul. They're more difficult to make than chips, but a whole lot more rewarding once it's done.

It's easy to write fetish-fuel, but plot stories can be far more rewarding. I try to work in a bit of both, because the crunchy texture of a chip mixes well with the soft dessert.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Brazzel » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:05 pm

ItsSomething wrote:Well, as a writer and consumer, the difference between a fetish-fuel story and a plot story is like the difference between potato chips and a high-class dessert. To take an analogy from Egoraptor, fetish-fuel is like chips: Fairly easy to make, and quick to absent-mindedly consume. They're cheap, too, because they're so easy to make. You get through it and forget.

Plot stories are like a high-class dessert: You take it slow, savor it, and at the end, you're satisfied. Chips sate the hunger, but the dessert also sates the soul. They're more difficult to make than chips, but a whole lot more rewarding once it's done.

It's easy to write fetish-fuel, but plot stories can be far more rewarding. I try to work in a bit of both, because the crunchy texture of a chip mixes well with the soft dessert.


I guess that erotic novels are a blend of high class dessert and chips interspersed to keep the reader's appetite whetted.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby KnightleyPaine » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:22 pm

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Plot and fetish are different things, and they both sate different fancies.

But if you take out the erotic portion, is it still erotica?

Nearly every person who pick up a fetish writing advertising itself as such did so for the fetish, because you can get good plot without it. It can be something unexpectedly amazing, a pretentious slog that has no value, or it's something you tolerate on the way to the thing you picked the whole ordeal up for.

Plot is something that comes up when the author thinks they ought to try to be artsy or something else pretentious. Actually, let me rephrase that. Sometimes, people write an inane set of worthless, uninteresting and empty piece of interaction that just happens to be stuff not relating to the bad, bad sexytimes and confuse what they did for 'plot' and decided they've created 'food for the soul' as someone up there put it, that they've inherently created something better because they weren't like the other dirty plebs who 'only' made fetish. No. You just stringed up events. That makes it writing, but not necessarily good writing. If you pick up erotica for the erotica, you can appreciate it if the plot is competent. But here's the thing, if it's not competent, it's in the way.

Sometimes, the competence can overshadow the fetish. For instance, I would play Sengoku Rance for the actual game. It gets to the point my interest in the stills in the gallery is limited to the fact that I want unlock them all for completion rather than their content, because that's how enjoyable the 'porn' game is. But if I were actually interested in the porn content, I'd have used a gallery unlock save/code. Because no matter how competent everything else, it's arguably in the way.

The notion that 'plot' is a magic spice that inherently raises the value of what is there by it's presence alone needs to die like the meaningless buzzword it is. Now because I'm not a strawman, this doesn't mean plot is bad. But whatever you make should add to the experience in some way, or else, why is it there? If the user is on this site rather than in a bookstore, do them all a favor and make sure what you make is either A.) of value or B.) not in the way.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby RediQ » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:25 pm

I guess the thing that I look for most, and the thing that I would hope to create when I write vore, is context.

It's not exactly either of the two - I feel like smutty stuff without some context for what's happening will just be kinda empty and unsatisfying, but if there's too much of a deep or serious plot attached to vore erotica, I feel like it kinda detracts from the erotic aspect by taking me out of the mood, even if it's a good story otherwise.

But the thing that short story written works are really good for is surrounding the "fetish fuel" stuff with a setting and some personalities and some kind of reason or event that causes the characters to interact. For example, a story about a prey who bets themselves to settle a gambling debt would feel very different from one where a prey wanders into a predator's home/lair. But neither of them necessarily need more plot than that for me to find them enjoyable, just a context/setup to add to a certain mood.

I guess that means I still do lean more towards the fetish fuel side of things, but a story that's just pure sex and vore from the get-go doesn't usually do a lot for me.

Edit: Also, if I *do* feel the need to put in the effort to create a good, developed plot for something, I'd much rather do it in work that I'd be able to show to other people in real life or use professionally, rather than just leaving it in the taboo fetish world.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Birichino » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:13 am

I've always written around plot, but given great detail to the actual payoff. That's just the way I write, though. People are going to read vore stories for either vore or story, and it's not a consistent answer which.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby avatar300 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:35 am

It’s hard, but I try to balance both in my stories. There needs to be at least some world-building and character development before the vore scenes, because there’s only so many times you can read words like “gullet” and “slurp” in a story and be aroused by that alone. And sometimes, you just need to move the plot forward, and too much description of the vore scenes will cause for a chapter to be much too long.

I’ve made it my goal to include at least one instance of vore in each chapter of my main story on this site, which means that some of those scenes won't be fully fleshed out. If the reader’s just here for a quick fetish fix, they could always skim through the paragraphs until they get to the dirty bits.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby Avereth » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:09 pm

I'm of a rare subset of people that really enjoys there being plot as well, but only when someone can actually write. It makes the fetishy parts better in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with right to the point stuff, but ultimately I just can't enjoy it as much as one of say...those nice long Strega stories. I understand some people hate plot, but oftentimes it's because the plot is unskillfully integrated into the story and really does just feel like wasteful filler. If you could read the story without the fetish content, you know the plot is good.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby ryanshowseason3 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:34 pm

I tend to write and craft longer form things. Friggin 20k+ monstrosities. I can't help but expand on characters, where they're coming from and how they're changing throughout the story. And especially throwing in the unexpected plot twist or mind fuck that no one sees coming.

Which is ironic.

Cause when I read I much prefer shorter form narratives. Probly 3k-7k. I also love a good picture caption that can capture the essence of a scene.

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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby 2inchlich » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:47 pm

I almost exclusively like plot-based vore stories/rps/drawings. I think sexual aspects to the plot are fine, but they shouldn't dominate it, otherwise then it's just smut lmao.
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Re: Vore writing: Fetish fuel or Plot

Postby dosdose » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:09 pm

I like plot based stories because I enjoy the build up, along with the more descriptive scenes. Usually from the perspective of the prey so I tend to gravitate towards stories written from that perspective. I have found that on consecutive readings for the same story that I will most likely skim it until I get to the good parts, which is usually the vore scenes and eventual aftermath it it’s included.

Stories that go straight to the point really quickly and aren’t that descriptive don’t seem to work as well as longer more descriptive ones do. I’m guessing it’s because I like to use my imagination to visualize everything in my head and having something without at least some bit of detail just doesn’t work because there isn’t much there to work with and it’s hard to put ones self into the situation if it’s lacking.
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