Why Are There More Male Prey Than Male Preds?

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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby Chameleonette » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:55 am

Noxyoursox wrote:I think that the comments of women being less sexually active are probably untrue (speaking as someone who has those parts and is very active irl) but they tend to gravitate towards very different outlets. For example erotic fanfiction is written and consumed far more by women than by men. The difference between the two is where the focus is: on the emotional aspects of the characters' relationships, or on the physical aspects of their bodies/actions. I suspect that if you were looking just at the writer's portion of Eka's rather than at the site as a whole, you would probably find a lot more women there.

There is also the common problem of women and femmes being barraged with demands for pics, rp, and other unwanted sexual attention by men who are complete strangers, both in explicitly sexual sites like this one and everywhere online in general. For that matter, many of us face similar problems irl as well. Being openly femme is taken as an invitation to sexualize and make such demands, so many of us hide behind anonymity or a male persona. That would artificially inflate the number of "men" present on the site while reducing the apparent presence of women.


Agreed on a lot of this. I'm surprised sites like tumblr and fandoms in general haven't been used as examples of this. I've been in many fandoms over the years, even some diverse ones with huge, varied fanbases, and they were still almost always mostly comprised of women.

Fun fact: Before coming to Eka's, I was a long-time RPer---mostly in fandom circles. And the places I had RPed before (such as DreamWidth, among other things), had huge collections of fandom bases that were played by probably 95% female players---even the male characters. It was actually rare to see guys playing in multi-fandom RPs and anywhere near those circles.

And coming here was such a stark contrast from that (it honestly surprised me at first). So I surmise that a lot of ladies feel more comfortable in the presence of either more equally-balanced groups of genders, or ones of mostly other females, because there's so much less pressure. You don't have to worry as much about being hit on, sexualized, potentially stalked, etc. And the majority of other females I know are very into sexual stuff, but a lot of times, it's more in a fantasy nature. They're not necessarily looking for someone to get together with and take it to a bedroom. They're drawing art, writing fanfiction, and joining in those groups that share all sorts of discussions and content, from fluffy to as kinky as you can possibly imagine.

When you then turn the focus to a fetish of this nature, a male-dominated area, it's pretty unsurprising about the steep shift of gender. And I think part of the reason for that is, while it's a little easier to be open about our fantasies in fandoms/with OCs and areas where we feel a strong sense of comradery with others and a sense of safety in that space, girls have most often been taught to repress our fantasies and grew up where boys/men were often glorified for having them/acting on them and women were shamed/berated and even admonished for showing 'too much skin'. So coming into a fetish like this that has such a large number of men---some of which who latch onto the females wherever they can find them---can be extremely daunting and even off-putting. That's my view on it, anyway.

And why submissive men, specifically? A lot of people have answered that pretty well already, I think. I tend to lean to the explanation that most people into vore tend to relate to the prey side.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby granblue » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:02 am

In addition to what other people have been saying, there's also the fact that being curled up inside a tight, sweltering stomach is about as 'up-close-and-personal' as a vorish experience can get, and it's relatively straight-forward, too. The defining feature of vore as a pred, compared to other forms of domination, is that the actual process of whatever happens to the prey is hidden away beneath the skin of their belly, and their stomach works completely autonomously, to the point that in fatal scenarios, preds often straight-up take naps and let their bodies do the work. Now, this has its own appeal for sure... but it does mean that predator is largely disconnected from whatever’s occuring inside the stomach, while the prey gets to experience every detail as viscerally and personally as possible. Even though I'm more of a predator myself, I can see why people who want to experience vore would prefer the prey perspective, especially if you prioritize raw, physical sensations over the more psychological side of things.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby pudgepire » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:02 am

Chozo wrote:... Women (submissive or otherwise) are able to form relationships in real life, so they either don't have the time or don't have the need to be on a site like that...

I personally know several people (male and female) that are in established and long term relationships that use this website, myself included. Many of them are females, too. I don't get your logic "people in relationships don't look at porn" lol. just because you get a significant other doesn't mean your niche fantasy fetishes go away.

Chozo wrote:And on a related note, the rate of suicide for males is much higher than for females in the modern world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_di ... in_suicide

It is also true that more males are born than females, and this problem is exaggerated by the fact that people will more likely abort a baby for being female. I've read an anecdotal case once of a woman who had 6 abortions because she wanted a boy. That's 6 females who were denied the right to live.

So there is an imbalanced gender ratio in society in general anyway, where there are more males than females. So its no surprise that would be the case here, because its also the case globally. But it also means a lot of men are doomed to never be in a relationship and either commit suicide or come to sites like this.

Historically, wars were fought by men so the gender imbalance corrected itself "naturally" because more men would die off than women, so things would kinda even themselves out. But we don't really any fight wars anymore, so this no longer is the case. Everyone says they want world peace, but maybe world peace comes at a cost that they don't consider. Maybe a lot of the problems we see in society nowadays is because we have been at peace for too long, and the herd of males have not been "culled" as they naturally should be. The astronomical suicide rate, men marrying holograms, all the mass shootings, terrorism, etc. Alot of that is because of the gender imbalance in society and the fact that a lot of men cannot find a partner.

I think stopping the abortion of female babies is something that would help things out. The irony though, is people see abortion as a pro-female thing and women's rights or whatever, but it disproportionately murders female babies. More people want a male baby than a female one, but they aren't thinking that there may not be a female partner for their son when he grows up. No one is thinking about that. And that's why the world is in the sorry shape it is today.


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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby Derpaderpy » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:16 am

The reason why I usually play submissive male characters is due to the majority opinion of "Males are useless pieces of shit that should be better off dead" tbh.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby blessedwasthechild » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:04 am

Derpaderpy wrote:The reason why I usually play submissive male characters is due to the majority opinion of "Males are useless pieces of shit that should be better off dead" tbh.

Whose opinion is that? I don't like patriarchal society either but if anyone is deciding that the majority of males are useless pieces of shit, the ones making that decisions are the patriarchal males who have money and power, and anyone else who follows their lead are giving into their alpha-driven biases and propaganda.

I've had fantasies about worlds where men treat women as nothing but sex-toys and eat us regularly, and I've had fantasies where guys are totally spiritually inferior to magical, gnostic magical girls. I've jumped around both bends from sexual reasons to just pure anger and being fed up with the world.

Its fun to experiment and think of new scenarios!

But I promise that males are not pieces of shit to anyone who is an actual, philosophical feminist/egalitarian!

The way I see it, even at the darkest of times, *people* are terrible people, regardless of gender. You can't put women on a pedestal or you create a situation for women tyrants to reign. Power and politics hardly changes depending on gender, males dominate for one reason or another, but I think the biggest one is that they have thousands of years of status quo on their side. With technology and know-how at our disposal, whatever historical or biological reasons that made this happen in the first place, assuming it wasn't just *dumb luck*, are quickly disappearing and we can now have either gender be a "ruling class" pretty much arbitrarily. Men and women don't have to be different at all, and in the modern day, I've seen petty greed and emotional power-struggles from both genders. Men gossip and argue from their emotions as readily as women, and women can be pig-headed dogmatic abusers who only want to inflate their egos. Its especially easy to see in retail jobs, how united we are in our awfulness. Putting women on a pedestal for kink reasons can be fun for certain scenarios, but its not real, it's fantasy. Men are not really pieces of shit who are better off dead any more than women too are also pieces of shit.

Maybe this is why almost everyone should be prey so we can all be shit :O

(I'd prefer to be cum but that's beside the point).

I don't like male privilege either, and I think you should enjoy your fantasies, and if women being on top is that, horray! But guys aren't inherently shittier than anyone else, and the greatest evil is ignorance--to ignore on principle.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby Siorche » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:08 am

A lot of people like girls, or the female body. It seems to be really that simple IMO, and a majority of users are men, so dommy females are pretty good. Though in the past few years I have seen a resurgence of mpred and male prey that aren't 'lol pls eat me' I think it's also just because of the gender demographics. There's also the fact that-well, a lot of men don't get affection or are told a gender role or told not to cry/etc, and this can form in fetishes to be 'submissive'. At least, thats my opinion and what I've dealt with a bit myself.

There's also the mindset of "women are prudes" and "women can't be doms" so the idea of what is 'taboo' or 'uncommon' is usually really appealing I feel. Also uh, noticed some tensions in the thread, lets not fight!!!
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby stearwing » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:39 am

1) There are no girls on the internet.
2) There are no Chads on the internet.
3) Thus there is waifufagging on the internet.
4) Waifufags would do anything for their waifu. Hence the submissiveness.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby empatheticapathy » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:46 am

ParisGreen wrote:Mainstream society by and large prefers dominant men


Honestly, the more I look into fetish scenes - sites, books, etc. - the more I suspect this is just a myth.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby Chozo » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:01 am

Aleph-Null wrote:@Chozo,

Are you suggesting that this and other fetish communities are primarily populated by people who identify as involuntary celibates?


It's not a matter of identifying as that. I don't think anyone wants to be involuntarily celibate... if someone wanted to be celibate then they would just be celibate and there is nothing shameful about it. It's the involuntary aspect of it that hurts. It can also hurt to be called a virgin for the same thing, but there's a slight difference because someone could have lost their virginity once but for whatever reason ended up being involuntarily incelibate afterwards. It might be that this would make it hurt even more, because you know what you are being denied. It's debatable though. But the bottom line is, no one wants to be involuntarily celibate, just by definition. And there's negative connotations that come with it, so a lot of people who are won't admit to it or will deny it. I think very very few will openly admit to it, because there's shame and stigma involved.

Aleph-Null wrote:If so, I would have to disagree. There is a high rate of asexuality in this community, but that is not the same thing. You also imply a link between involuntary celibacy and submissiveness in males? Again, I don't think there is evidence of this.


I can understand people are into vore for various reasons, and it might not always be sexual. But I think for most people it is a sexual fetish. The fact people have such strong preferences specifically for a male or female predator suggests there's a sexual aspect to it. It shouldn't matter to you at all what the gender of the pred is if its not sexual to you, right?

The link with male submissiveness and involuntary celibacy is because females are repulsed or just simply uninterested in submissive males. Dominant females exist, of course, but they are a minority. There's not enough Dominant females to go around for all the submissive men. So there's a HUGE gender imbalance there. The other thing is that submissive men are less likely to make the first move, which society expects of men. If the submissive men don't make a move, and if the women don't, then nothing will ever happen. But for a lot of men the sad reality is nothing could ever happen anyway, because there isn't enough women for every man because of various reasons.

It also doesn't help that in some countries there is polygamy, where one man could have multiple wives. That makes the gender imbalance even worst. This is why terrorism is so appealing in these polygamist countries. The men are told if they die a martyr then they go to paradise and there are 72 virgins there for them. Since they have no prospect of having a partner in this world, this notion is extremely appealing to them. It's not the men who have multiple wives who blow themselves up or whatever. It's just the men who are incels that do it. They have nothing to live for, but everything to gain (or so they think) on the other side.

Aleph-Null wrote:The concept of dominance and submissiveness as a kink or fetish is well outside of behavior in the rest of society, a person who displays dominant properties in day to day life, may be a submissive. And again, I don't think this is directly linked to vore.


Well, I think vore has a lot to do with dominance and submission. The predator is invariably the dominant one. The notion of a dominant prey that is somehow in control while being devoured seems very strange and unlikely.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby PimpDaddyPichu » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:08 am

Chozo wrote:The notion of a dominant prey that is somehow in control while being devoured seems very strange and unlikely.


Yeah, it is, but it's no doubt a thing.

All it takes is the pred not wanting anything to do with this vore shit and the prey being fanatical enough to want to force themselves into the pred because it gets them off.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby Dekkard2 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:51 am

blessedwasthechild wrote:
Derpaderpy wrote:The reason why I usually play submissive male characters is due to the majority opinion of "Males are useless pieces of shit that should be better off dead" tbh.

Whose opinion is that? I don't like patriarchal society either but if anyone is deciding that the majority of males are useless pieces of shit, the ones making that decisions are the patriarchal males who have money and power, and anyone else who follows their lead are giving into their alpha-driven biases and propaganda.


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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby Vorepun » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:56 am

Submissive person with boobs here. I'm engaged, but still active on the site. I don't think only lonely people look at porn...thats just absurd. Chozo, your assertion that female dominants are a huge minority suggests that you have never been on fetlife or other bdsm sites.

Submission also does not translate to a submissive personality in day to day life. Most people would assume my partner is the submissive one based on how he acts in public, but that is not the case. I can come across as 'dominant' when compared to him out in public, but again I'm a pure sub.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby copb.phoenix » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:31 am

Do I really need to lose my best friend's birthday telling you all the reasons you need some serious fucking help, Chozo?

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It's not a matter of identifying as that. I don't think anyone wants to be involuntarily celibate


The absurdly sophomoric tautology in that second sentence aside, yes - it is precisely a matter of identifying as an incel.

You know, the MRAs have some valid points - most of them around child/abortion/etc rights - but one of the most insane things I ever saw grow out of a group had to be this concept of incels.

Let's get something straight:

1. There is an inherent assumption in incel rhetoric that you have to be forced to be celibate in order to be celibate;

2. Therefore there must be an assumption that there is something you should have;

3. Therefore - because it requires another person by its real world nature - there must be an assumption that someone owes you something;

4. However, this cannot be - nobody owes you anything (least of all a woman her love or body);

5. This ilustrates a logical contradiction in the incel narrative once applied in the real world

QEF. Therefore there is a flaw somewhere in the incel rhetoric.

A woman doesn't necessarily owe it to anyone. She can do what she wants. Her body, her heart, her life. Get over yourself.

I think very very few will openly admit to it, because there's shame and stigma involved.


That's doubtful on a good day.

Millenials are more career-focused and basically perfected hook-up culture. We're generally single with a lot of open sexuality and a tendency to go through dates about as fast as we can swipe on Tinder. In other words, statistically speaking, Millenials are more likely to have sex with someone they're not in a relationship with, and they're less likely to be in a stable, longer term relationship.

It's not a lie that a lot of us hate it when we find ourselves single, but it is wrong to assume there's a huge stigma. The truth is, it's the new disappointing norm. Nobody's going to look down on you for being single. Plenty of people, however, will look down on you for your sense of entitlement in regards to
a woman's nether regions.

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You know, the most important thing you need to learn is that you have things to offer the world, and the only reason for this self-pity is that you've chosen it. And I say this as someone wrestling with insecurity about creative works on multiple fronts. It's not easy.

And that's really what it comes down to.

People told you that you had problems at some point in your life, and you had a choice. You could stop and really reflect on yourself and find what was wrong and fix it, accept that maybe they had some point - even if you didn't like them - about how society expects people to act and how you, therefore, should act..... or you could find anything but yourself to blame it on and make yourself out to be the victim.

And you did the sums and realized that (save some mild mental gymnastics) being the victim was absurdly easy. Blaming it on other people without at least looking at it didn't even make a blip on your conscience's radar. So here we go.

The incel philosophy precludes any process of self-refinement, as though people should love you for who you are. Spoiler alert: No matter who you are, someone will hate you, and it may be a large number of people, even if what you're doing is right. I've illustrated where you're wrong and why and why it's just destructive to your future, even beyond getting under a woman's skin. If this is your mentality, I've little to no doubt multiple parts of your life are always a story about how you were in the right constantly and people just gave you a raw deal. Sooner or later you need to do that one remarkably human thing - seek the commonalities and patterns - and conclude you're the most common aspect of everything wrong in your own life.

And everything beyond that? Tell it to someone who wants to debate it. (I'm not going to spend all day doing this with you, so, no, it's not me.) Consider actually reading Jordan Peterson's book, then follow it up with a healthy dose of Sorenson's definitive work. (By the way - regardless of Sorenson's validity, even 4chan stands by her work, and Peterson should need no introduction to you based on your YouTube recommendations.)

Work on yourself and just let women and love and all that happen organically. Adventure and experience aren't those things gotten over four years sitting in a classroom that you chose to be in anyway - they're those things that happen when your rear tire loses traction and you slam through the guardrail at 50 miles an hour in the rain miles from civilization - and rarely are perfectly safe things nearly as adventurous or experiential as the things that will terrify you every time.

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Re: Why Are There More Male Prey Than Male Preds?

Postby ParisGreen » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:31 am

I have realized that the title I chose for the topic doesn’t appropriately convey what I meant to ask and for that reason I have changed it to try to clarify what I meant to ask. The previous title was “Why are Submissive Males the Majority?”. I have also edited the question in paragraph two to more clearly reflect this. I apologize for any confusion that arose from my impercise word choice.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby spanxthanx » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:49 am

Because dominant girls are sexy.
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Re: Why Are There More Male Prey Than Male Preds?

Postby PimpDaddyPichu » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:55 am

Also because there's a large amount who are into female preds in general. There's a lotta factors stating why, but the most simple way to put it is that, it's just apart of their vore kink.
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Re: Why are Submissive Males the Majority?

Postby MrGrimlock » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:02 am

spanxthanx wrote:Because dominant girls are sexy.


Care to try a more valid response? Not everyone sees the kink from a sexual aspect. :/
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Re: Why Are There More Male Prey Than Male Preds?

Postby coop500 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:08 am

This kind of... uhh, turned into a mess didn't it... ?
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Re: Why Are There More Male Prey Than Male Preds?

Postby Zephyr42 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:18 am

Yeah, it did, didn't it?
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