On the topic of Live Vore and its' toxic following...

[sweetladyamy]

def rant
printf "Of course, it happens in real life, and yes, some people like it, but damn! \n
Of all things, why are people so toxic about it!? Go start your own damned forum about it, and don't advertise it here."

end #rant (yeah, I really miss gamedev and coding but I'm not ready to get back into the swing of it)

I'm just curious about why people are so toxic about this. I mean, if you like it, you like it. Not everyone else should be forced to, nor should they be bothered to interact with it if they don't wish to.

However, I will agree that there is a massive difference between just eating, and actually getting off to it, when it comes to eating live animals because yes, there are many cultures where this is commonplace, though it isn't like they're doing it for the sake of getting off.

The common trope is live goldfish. That is a delicacy in many cultures, and I've been to a nation where a hundred of my native currency will get you three of them at one local restaurant. I've even tried the live fish (I had the cheaper perch because I only had a hundred of my currency to spend), and long story short, it was not that great, and I only ate one of the three, giving the other two to someone else.

To be brief, I've nothing against anyone's preferences (you do you), but really, people...stop acting stupid without reason.

This isn't a democratic site. If anything, it's as close to Anarchist as it gets, just with a Troika heading the upper management.

[MaxTwenty]

really, people...stop acting stupid without reason.

That'll do the trick o3o

[Ixtili]

To me the second you cross into live vore, you are no longer dealing with a benign fetish. But true paraphilia in the psychological sense of the word.
It's important to draw a line between the fantasy romaticized fetishized version of something and romanticizing the actual thing itself.
As far as I'm concerned as conceptually cruel as vore can get it is only true cruelty if it happens to a real animal or person. Before that it's just an elaborate game of what if?

Personally if these live action vore types actually made a website of their own I would report that shit to the RSPCA. Because Animal Cruelty is ILLEGAL PEOPLE! I don't think this is a matter of live and let live. There can be no "I understand people like it" angle here. There's no scenario in which this sort of behaviour deserves to be tolerated. Once you start being cruel to animals for pleasure your getting into that starter serial killer territory. Need I remind ya'll of the incident with the voreophile that let themselves get chopped up, refrigerated and cannibalized by another voreophile?

That sort of cross from fantasy into reality only has two endings and I just listed both of them in the same reminder.

[dodoman_1er]

I think that the recent events were just trolling, I find it hard to imagine that people would be THAT entitled. This has been forbidden on this site since before it even was called Eka's portal.

sweetladyamy, You might want to remove that mention of trying those dishes to avoid receiving unwanted attention.

[Jayezox]

This is a prime example of political correctness gone too far. When someone harms another living being for their pleasure they're rightfully called and classified as a psychopath and deserve punishment. I will never tolerate harming others for pleasure in any way shape or form.

[Ixtili]

I think that the recent events were just trolling, I find it hard to imagine that people would be THAT entitled. This has been forbidden on this site since before it even was called Eka's portal.

sweetladyamy, You might want to remove that mention of trying those dishes to avoid receiving unwanted attention.

1. There is always someone out there that is that entitled, it's why people keep believing trolls.
2. Technically you can't enfore animal cruelty laws in a country that does not have them. So sweetladyamy likely can't be prosecuted and since she seemed to try it out of curiousity for local custom rather than sexual desire she's probably safe from the future serial killer thing.
3. However calling the RSPCA to work in conjunction with local authorities to determine if citizens of a covered country are purchasing and abusing animals for entertainment, is easy enough, espeacially if footage of the abuse a.k.a evidence is being broadcast on the internet.

[Ixtili]

This is a prime example of political correctness gone too far. When someone harms another living being for their pleasure they're rightfully called and classified as a psychopath and deserve punishment. I will never tolerate harming others for pleasure in any way shape or form.

Here! Here!

[dodoman_1er]

2. Technically you can't enfore animal cruelty laws in a country that does not have them. So sweetladyamy likely can't be prosecuted and since she seemed to try it out of curiousity for local custom rather than sexual desire she's probably safe from the future serial killer thing.

It is not that kind of attention I had in mind, but rather some of those entitled ass hats.

[sweetladyamy]

Like I said, this site is about as Anarchist as it can get. That is, short of those who would wish punishment/other forms of infringement of Free Will upon those who know not, those edicts by politicians.

So, to clarify, let me explain a bit deeper.

1. My homeland is an autonomous, Anarchist nation. That means there are no written/spoken/implied laws of any sort.
2. The nation I visited is no different, and if you think that means they're bad people, see how quickly you as a tourist would be given the unwelcome boot (or at the very least, lots of nasty stares).
3. What is considered a 'domesticated' animal might not be so elsewhere. I won't even get into what may or may not be around in any given region either, or anything that in-depth.

4. I really didn't think that I'd get this much backlash for being honest about this.

5. I can't say I blame anyone for thinking I should redact my experiences with live fish, but that ties in with point four. I won't lie about it, but it was nothing spectacular/noteworthy either. Toss it in the 'meh' bucket and move on, thanks.

6. If people like something, it is not my place or anyone else's to say anything about it. Tying in with Free Will here, and not infringing upon it in any way. I tend to not get in the way of another's Free Will unless it affects my own. (try to hold me at gunpoint and I will fight back etcetera)

7. So, if I eat a live octopus on a stick (common in eastern Asia), that makes me a psychopath? Are you daft!? Oh, I get it, if I enjoy that part of the culture just because I'm merely eating a live animal and not enjoying the rest of the culture that makes me a psychopath. Okay, except that is absolute nonsense.

8. Entitled asshats...hmmm...I don't really care about them; let them be them. Yes, we all should quit acting stupid, but no one can force that on anyone else. Not even Eka, and I will certainly not try. No one has a higher claim on your life than you do. #AnarchistLogic

[Nekiame]

One thing about this is about the very first rule of this site. "1) Eka's Portal is a Strictly Fantasy Only website! Any attempt to connect real life vore are disallowed and heavily enforced!" And that's it. No Point in arguing "This should be allowed cause I like it" the rules are right there. Eka's is the one who made the site and set the rules. There's also laws IRL for most countries that dont support such things, as it would be animal cruelty(and depending on other things, suicidal/murder.)
In short.... as long as it's fantasy, aka not real... then it's alright. The moment one make it real, you become bound to real life laws. That's it.

[killermeow]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy
So let me get this straight... Because we have a DEFINED SET OF RULES that people are breaking, we are somehow anarchistic? I must ask how special you are to think something is the exact opposite of what it is. If anything, forums are closer to an Authoritarianism than anything, if you're going to throw around buzzwords at least pick the right ones.
My answer is, would you wish an agonizing fate upon another creature? If the answer is yes, you need help. If the answer is no, than the reason IRL vore is not allowed should be crystal clear right there. It is kept fictional for a reason, because if it is actually happening it is a heinous act and even we, who romanticize and fantasize it, know that much due to common sense. There are places you just shouldn't go, those boundaries were set IMMEDIATELY and should not be touched, there are legitimate psychopaths out there who will cross those boundaries and should be condemned, like with the cannibalism case from way back when. It's a thing that happened, it's better to keep IRL vore out of the picture altogether, pushing the fetish to that level is a bad idea in the best case scenario, and at the worst can and HAS gotten people killed.
You eating goldfish or live octopi may be a cultural thing, but it is not something we take lightly, it's a slippery slope and even if you think 'Big deal, not like I'll become a cannibal over it' other people have. It will likely happen again sooner or later no matter what actions anyone takes, but it is something we should try to avoid as much as possible. And yes, animal cruelty is also a factor, but I'm trying to hammer the point home- just let the subject lie, it's not one we should be getting into, and we don't need any more flame wars over it.

[delet609hw6bn3296]

There is a DAMNED GOOD reason why you can be made a social pariah if you fap to something IRL that is terrible, evil, and breaks the non-aggression principle (something that you, as a self-proclaimed anarchist, should know about).

you create a demand for more of the same shit to be created. Snuff, child pornography, animal cruelty, you name it. You fap to it, that makes you a sick fuck, and you deserve to be called out on it. You deserve to be persecuted as heavily as the people who create that content to begin with.

[MechaSharkZilla]

I just don't want to see animal cruelty. And any culture where eating live animals is accepted is promoting animal cruelty and should be called out on it. Fantasies are just that, but once you're actively harming something IRL, I have zero sympathy for you. Laws/rules be damned, the morality of it is what matters to me. And I don't know what sort of messed up twist on anarchism you have in mind if it still doesn't allow for morality to matter. Well, I know one, but that's Murray Rothbard levels of crazy.

[jaggedjagd]

If your legally unacceptable paraphilia is so strong that you cannot resist living out for real, consider chemical castration as an option. And if you're unwilling/unable to that, hey there is a place where you can indulge in animal snuff and pedo porn and who knows what to your heart's content. It's called the deep web. At least use your few functioning brain cells to understand it's not a good idea to drag it into surface web. And this site is definitely not the fucking place for it.

[ryanshowseason3]

you create a demand for more of the same shit to be created. Snuff, child pornography, animal cruelty, you name it.

Pretty much that. Fapping to live vore inflicted by humans doesn't make you any better the pedophiles that watch child pornography. The subject is being legitimately harmed and you're fapping to it, making more demand for it.

Exceptions abound if the subject material is a documentary in nature. I still think it's wrong to inflict unknown suffering to a live creature, but that documentary would exist if people were fapping to it or not.

But "Hot chick swallows baby chicks"? No you're creating demand for the suffering of life. The same as if you went searching for child porn.

Being accepting of other's fetishes and interests is one thing, if I don't like scat or vomit in my vore it would be pretty dumb and wrong to tell people they were gross or disgusting or wrong for their interests. Hell even telling someone they are terrible for being aroused by live vore or even the idea of pedophillia isn't right. But when they act on it or support? No. Show no mercy.

There is some called the paradox of tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

It's quite relevant here, tolerating the slaughter and torture of living things for sexual gratification falls easily into the bounds of intolerance. Its akin to racists who care not for the lives of different colored people. You should care about the lives and experiences of other living things.

[Borealis]

"IRL vore" in the forms of people swallowing live creatures for sexual gratification is sexualising animal cruelty/zoosadism.

The practice and promotion of such content is abhorrent, not just on a subjective level but on any decent persons moral or ethical compass.

I am very pleased that this site has a zero tolerance policy. And if this is "kinkshaming" or whatever... well, anyone who gets sexual gratification out of anything that causes unnecessary suffering to an animal SHOULD be ashamed.

[coop500]

I can't believe this thread even exists....

[MrGrimlock]

I can't believe this thread even exists....

Like a lot of places, Eka's is like the ocean: dive deep enough and you'll see some (describe as necessary here) shit.

[Aces]

I feel like the more that we talk about this the more that we unintentionally draw interest to it.

How about letting it die?

[coop500]

I feel like the more that we talk about this the more that we unintentionally draw interest to it.

How about letting it die?

Possibly a good idea, plus there isn't much we can say to it...