Preferences, Entitlement and Etiquette. A vent of sorts.

[TheVoreEngineer]

Oh I didn't say it invalidated the smaller issue, that's not what I was trying to say at all. It's an unfortunate reality that some people will just want to be rude to eachother, but I really hope we can work together as a community to make it all a better place. Also, Sorry I missed that, I just kinda have a knee-jerk reaction to stuff in a way. I've heard a lot of people condemn Eka's for being a 'cesspool' when it's really not, There's a wonderful community here and I'm very proud to say I've met a majority of my friends here, so it's really important to me-an I really want people to be happy in this community and comfortable.

Yeah, again it is the unfortunate reality that not everyone will change. I hope so too that we can create a stronger and friendlier place through the community. I do want to at least clarify that in no way am I calling the general userbase a cesspool. This whole, tirade, frustrated forum post, whatever you want to call it would probably have any real weight to less than a percentile of the community, probably less so than that. In general, I'm proud of the community too. For how easily congregations of people on the internet posting behind a pseudonym can go, Eka's always generally impressed me, I guess I just feel passionate about something that is affecting those I consider friends as well.

[Doku]

Also, the "Are they going to be ok? I hope they'll be ok" line. I get it, you want to protect the "different strokes for different folks" kinda deal and I know it kinda comes with the territory but the whole..."death fetish" that goes on around here is kinda concerning. Like people are literally making porn about people killing each other. Murdering other people. Of course this is done through digestion because this is vore but murder is murder. Am I the only one that sees the problem with this? This is like making porn about rape or child beating...(which I wouldn't be to surprised if it was already on here)...

It is already here. Non-consent is a regular theme in a great deal of the art.

There is only, really, a problem if someone wants it to actually happen, in which case that's a very serious issue. Here, art is being used to deal with fantasy and horror and nobody is getting hurt. Don't like it? I suggest avoiding my gallery because there's a lot of death there. Don't understand why it's present on a website devoted to a fetish about getting eaten?

...really can't help you there, bud. Because that's what's happening here. Creatures eating creatures, and that means that for a large chunk of those artists, they're also going to digest them. It's what happens when you eat something. Some will do 'non-fatal,' but when you come to a fetish site devoted to this, this is what you're going to get, which is why the passive aggressive replies especially if intended to try and push artists away from certain material like "are they going to be ok" can sometimes be rankling to some artists.

[Vermono]

It is already here. Non-consent is a regular theme in a great deal of the art.

There is only, really, a problem if someone wants it to actually happen, in which case that's a very serious issue. Here, art is being used to deal with fantasy and horror and nobody is getting hurt. Don't like it? I suggest avoiding my gallery because there's a lot of death there. Don't understand why it's present on a website devoted to a fetish about getting eaten?

...really can't help you there, bud. Because that's what's happening here. Creatures eating creatures, and that means that for a large chunk of those artists, they're also going to digest them. It's what happens when you eat something. Some will do 'non-fatal,' but when you come to a fetish site devoted to this, this is what you're going to get, which is why the passive aggressive replies especially if intended to try and push artists away from certain material like "are they going to be ok" can sometimes be rankling to some artists.

So is that what we are then? A bunch of guys and gals masturbating to a bunch of cannibals? Watching, drawing, and writing about people being digested, slowly murdered and killed, to be nothing more but fat on someones body. A person with thoughts and feelings made into nothing but food. Have we really become this numb to the idea of death? I have seen my far share of digestion on this sight and like any sensible person, I would usually skip it if I don't like it or imagine a different outcome for the scenario at hand. But like I've said before in my previous comment, I can ignore it all I want, I can pretend nothing is happening, but im still essentially acting like the Catholic Church. Being blissfully ignorant and refusing to acknowledge the fact that the priest is raping a small child behind the alter.

......Look......

I know this looks like im trying to attack people but i'm not. I don't like causing a fuss, I really don't. Id much rather get along with people than argue. I know this is a fantasy and I know nobody is getting hurt. But is anyone going to ask themselves if we are ever crossing the line? I know I have. Its always come up every now and then. Its the whole "Do we have no shame" thing.
I may not enjoy digestion but I tolerate it. I still view the artwork, read the stories. Hell I've even been on here for a long time, even longer before I made this account (mostly just lurking and be anonymous) and found many artists that I enjoy that do mostly digestion. I have followed them for a while, enjoyed their artwork, having that niche fetish hit every single time. If anything, I even love a lot of their artwork... but it still has digestion. I know its fake, I know its not real but I guess my tldr of all this is, is the sexual gratification of the death of another, even if in a fantasy setting, a good thing to indulge in. If I were to daydream about killing my annoying boss, it would usually be to blow off some steam. Its not like I would do it in real life. But if I were to daydream about killing my annoying boss because it gives me sexual arousal, even if I never intend to do it in real life (maybe its just me) but something seems wrong about that. Maybe you see both as the same thing and see nothing wrong with it. Maybe your wondering why I am making such a big fuss over it. Both can be true.

Some would say im trying to take the moral high ground here in a already weird and niche fetish. And you know, their probably right, even if I don't mean to. I truly wish no hate and desire not to drive anyone away or stomp on any toes, but I can see how it can be seen like that and im sorry if this offends you. After all I'm just a random guy on here that is struggling with the morality of all of this. I could just leave and not come back but... I actually like this fetish... even with all of its going ons...

But maybe im just over thinking all of this. Maybe im just letting my morals get in the way of my thinking. Maybe we should just let people like what they like. If some guy likes to beat his meat to a fantasy of beheading a woman and stabbing her body with a pitchfork, we should just let him. If some girl likes to finger herself to the idea of choking someones baby with her hands in their crib, we shouldn't worry about her. And if people here like the idea of digesting and killing people inside of their stomachs, we shouldn't have a problem with it. Because like everyone likes to say, its all a fantasy...

[TheVoreEngineer]

So is that what we are then? A bunch of guys and gals masturbating to a bunch of cannibals? Watching, drawing, and writing about people being digested, slowly murdered and killed, to be nothing more but fat on someones body. A person with thoughts and feelings made into nothing but food. Have we really become this numb to the idea of death? I have seen my far share of digestion on this sight and like any sensible person, I would usually skip it if I don't like it or imagine a different outcome for the scenario at hand. But like I've said before in my previous comment, I can ignore it all I want, I can pretend nothing is happening, but im still essentially acting like the Catholic Church. Being blissfully ignorant and refusing to acknowledge the fact that the priest is raping a small child behind the alter.

......Look......

I know this looks like im trying to attack people but i'm not. I don't like causing a fuss, I really don't. Id much rather get along with people than argue. I know this is a fantasy and I know nobody is getting hurt. But is anyone going to ask themselves if we are ever crossing the line? I know I have. Its always come up every now and then. Its the whole "Do we have no shame" thing.
I may not enjoy digestion but I tolerate it. I still view the artwork, read the stories. Hell I've even been on here for a long time, even longer before I made this account (mostly just lurking and be anonymous) and found many artists that I enjoy that do mostly digestion. I have followed them for a while, enjoyed their artwork, having that niche fetish hit every single time. If anything, I even love a lot of their artwork... but it still has digestion. I know its fake, I know its not real but I guess my tldr of all this is, is the sexual gratification of the death of another, even if in a fantasy setting, a good thing to indulge in. If I were to daydream about killing my annoying boss, it would usually be to blow off some steam. Its not like I would do it in real life. But if I were to daydream about killing my annoying boss because it gives me sexual arousal, even if I never intend to do it in real life (maybe its just me) but something seems wrong about that. Maybe you see both as the same thing and see nothing wrong with it. Maybe your wondering why I am making such a big fuss over it. Both can be true.

Some would say im trying to take the moral high ground here in a already weird and niche fetish. And you know, their probably right, even if I don't mean to. I truly wish no hate and desire not to drive anyone away or stomp on any toes, but I can see how it can be seen like that and im sorry if this offends you. After all I'm just a random guy on here that is struggling with the morality of all of this. I could just leave and not come back but... I actually like this fetish... even with all of its going ons...

But maybe im just over thinking all of this. Maybe im just letting my morals get in the way of my thinking. Maybe we should just let people like what they like. If some guy likes to beat his meat to a fantasy of beheading a woman and stabbing her body with a pitchfork, we should just let him. If some girl likes to finger herself to the idea of choking someones baby with her hands in their crib, we shouldn't worry about her. And if people here like the idea of digesting and killing people inside of their stomachs, we shouldn't have a problem with it. Because like everyone likes to say, its all a fantasy...

I think the biggest issue with this whole thing is that I would assume Eka's is a website purely of adults, we are more than capable of being able to distinguish between the real and the fantasies we hold towards vore. A fantasy that includes death might seem 'in poor taste', but at the end of the day, it's what allows people to connect with what we all at its core enjoy, then I would say feel free. I personally enjoy putting my characters in digestive situations where they ultimately become food, because I enjoy the sense of degradation the character feels as they are plucked from the status of human to food, I enjoy the sense of unavoidable peril, my characters attempting to escape from a digestive doom, only to inevitably fail. Ultimately, you don't have to see eye to eye on it, I enjoy it for those reasons, you do not. But, all I ask is that you have the courtesy to not try to shame or degrade me for what I do enjoy.

But I think it's extremely important to understand the fact it's simply, fantasy. When I act out or write a character meeting a painful end when digestion occurs, I am not causing pain to those around me to make it happen, I'm not advocating for the practice to be made a reality, and I understand that the act is purely enjoyable within my own distorted reality of enjoying vore, my imagination. Vore, at least in the sense most people see it here, is an object of fantasy, imaging because it is an act that can't be done within our reality, unlike things such as BDSM, Foodplay, or even rape. What we enjoy is purely in the realm of the fantastical. By enjoying digestion, I do not advocate for the literal slaughter of people for consumption, I am merely fantasising about a reality I know will never come to pass.

You specified an example in your post, " Being blissfully ignorant and refusing to acknowledge the fact that the priest is raping a small child behind the alter". The thing is the comparison here isn't really fair. Within my voraphilic fantasies, no-one is truly hurt, when people roleplay or create art about people and other sentient creatures meeting their digestive end, it's not them turning a fantasy into a wanton lust for murder, it's merely them enjoying the concept of swallowing another whole to what they find the best possible conclusion. With your example, to achieve the high, that feeling of satisfaction, you have to abuse, torture and ultimately scar a small child to get the same satisfaction. Those actions cause real harm amongst actual people, where vore is far enough removed from reality that pretty much all understand it is something to enjoy within the realm of fantasy.

This whole response is probably a little rambly, but at least that's how I see it. At the end of the day, all I ask is you respect peoples choices and preferences towards the more digestive side of vore, even if you don't agree. At the end of the day that's what this threads about, being willing to put asside personal dislikes towards those who instead like it. People will always like what they prefer, the best we can all do is attempt to be as accomodating as possible to others.

[nyte]

It is already here. Non-consent is a regular theme in a great deal of the art.

There is only, really, a problem if someone wants it to actually happen, in which case that's a very serious issue. Here, art is being used to deal with fantasy and horror and nobody is getting hurt. Don't like it? I suggest avoiding my gallery because there's a lot of death there. Don't understand why it's present on a website devoted to a fetish about getting eaten?

...really can't help you there, bud. Because that's what's happening here. Creatures eating creatures, and that means that for a large chunk of those artists, they're also going to digest them. It's what happens when you eat something. Some will do 'non-fatal,' but when you come to a fetish site devoted to this, this is what you're going to get, which is why the passive aggressive replies especially if intended to try and push artists away from certain material like "are they going to be ok" can sometimes be rankling to some artists.

So is that what we are then? A bunch of guys and gals masturbating to a bunch of cannibals? Watching, drawing, and writing about people being digested, slowly murdered and killed, to be nothing more but fat on someones body. A person with thoughts and feelings made into nothing but food. Have we really become this numb to the idea of death? I have seen my far share of digestion on this sight and like any sensible person, I would usually skip it if I don't like it or imagine a different outcome for the scenario at hand. But like I've said before in my previous comment, I can ignore it all I want, I can pretend nothing is happening, but im still essentially acting like the Catholic Church. Being blissfully ignorant and refusing to acknowledge the fact that the priest is raping a small child behind the alter.

......Look......

I know this looks like im trying to attack people but i'm not. I don't like causing a fuss, I really don't. Id much rather get along with people than argue. I know this is a fantasy and I know nobody is getting hurt. But is anyone going to ask themselves if we are ever crossing the line? I know I have. Its always come up every now and then. Its the whole "Do we have no shame" thing.
I may not enjoy digestion but I tolerate it. I still view the artwork, read the stories. Hell I've even been on here for a long time, even longer before I made this account (mostly just lurking and be anonymous) and found many artists that I enjoy that do mostly digestion. I have followed them for a while, enjoyed their artwork, having that niche fetish hit every single time. If anything, I even love a lot of their artwork... but it still has digestion. I know its fake, I know its not real but I guess my tldr of all this is, is the sexual gratification of the death of another, even if in a fantasy setting, a good thing to indulge in. If I were to daydream about killing my annoying boss, it would usually be to blow off some steam. Its not like I would do it in real life. But if I were to daydream about killing my annoying boss because it gives me sexual arousal, even if I never intend to do it in real life (maybe its just me) but something seems wrong about that. Maybe you see both as the same thing and see nothing wrong with it. Maybe your wondering why I am making such a big fuss over it. Both can be true.

Some would say im trying to take the moral high ground here in a already weird and niche fetish. And you know, their probably right, even if I don't mean to. I truly wish no hate and desire not to drive anyone away or stomp on any toes, but I can see how it can be seen like that and im sorry if this offends you. After all I'm just a random guy on here that is struggling with the morality of all of this. I could just leave and not come back but... I actually like this fetish... even with all of its going ons...

But maybe im just over thinking all of this. Maybe im just letting my morals get in the way of my thinking. Maybe we should just let people like what they like. If some guy likes to beat his meat to a fantasy of beheading a woman and stabbing her body with a pitchfork, we should just let him. If some girl likes to finger herself to the idea of choking someones baby with her hands in their crib, we shouldn't worry about her. And if people here like the idea of digesting and killing people inside of their stomachs, we shouldn't have a problem with it. Because like everyone likes to say, its all a fantasy...

"Are we ever going to ask ourselves if we're crossing the line?"

No. Because we know we're never going to cross that line. We're so far from ever crossing the line that we can't even see it. We don't want what we write about or draw about or think about to ever happen in real life.

"Have we really become this numb to the idea of death?"

No. Because nobody is dying here. It's fantasy. It's a concept, an idea. Most people become fascinated with death because they're terrified of it and want to understand it better. Death in real life is traumatizing. If I ever witnessed someone die, I'd need daily therapy for the rest of my life.

And you daydreaming about murdering your boss because you're pissed off at him really isn't any different than daydreaming about murdering someone for sexual gratification. You're still indulging in an emotion you're experiencing. Everyone has violent thoughts. Whether the outcome is blowing off steam or sexual gratification is irrelevant. What's relevant is if it actually affects your day to day. If it's disrupting your normal way of living, then yes, you have an issue that you need to get worked out, immediately. But if you can function like a rational human being, then your daydreams are just that.

I draw my vore, and I move on with my life. I have a very healthy life, with very healthy family and friends and relationships, filled with dozens of hobbies and interests, none of which are even remotely related to vore. I don't need even need vore to be happy. It's just something I enjoy. The same way someone might really enjoy gory horror movies.

Just because it's makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean that it's wrong. I say this kindly, but how you feel has more to say about you than it does about the people creating the artwork. Ask yourself why it makes you uncomfortable. Maybe you've got some shame sharing a community with something that doesn't make you comfortable. There's a difference between tolerating something and going "oh, that's just not my thing" and moving on. Tolerating something requires willful thought and energy, because you are essentially putting up with something that you'd rather not, but are trying to do so anyway. It lacks understanding. Tolerance isn't what we strive for here in this community, it's acceptance. When you accept something, it's not something that requires energy to withstand. You're able to look at it, be unaffected by it, and move onward.

[Michele]

I hate to be that person, but I agree with the OP's opinions, and some replies to MrInsideHer person. While I have some fetishes that makes me uncomfortable (such as digestion, fatal vore, graphic things, etc.), I think in the end, it's not wrong to do these thing.

Personally, I just think that each creator has their preferences. This is in response to what @MrInsideHer said.

Also, about the OP, he does make a point about the current issue. I do get that it's annoying, but unfortunately, right now, we can only do so little as to fix that issue. All I can say is I agree that saying something like 'Are you willing to do some farting' or such questions is a bit more appropriate.

[Speedyblupi]

For example, on art pieces and writing, I've more and more noticed comments as such. (Please note these comments are purely examples and not real comments, any likeness to such is coincidental.)

Ah, not a huge fan of M/F personally.
Are they going to be ok? I hope they'll be ok.
Looks good. Can't wait to see some oral vore from you!

At first glance, you might think all but the first comment are fine, but I want to stress this, even if it isn't intentional, Please do not comment on something based off preferences. Artists, writers, roleplayers, every member of this community who creates content in one form or another puts in their time and effort to create things. These artists and creators have preferences too. They are most likely going to create things that co-inside with those preferences. But instead, you, intentionally or not, belittling this time and effort that people put in because something doesn't associate to your tastes. I'll reiterate again, you can like whatever, but so can creators. I can understand if you don't enjoy certain things, but that isn't a platform to belittle something. Just, move on, accept the item isn't for you, and, move on, you don't need to try and alert a creator to what essentially boils down to "I don't like this because it isn't for me." It's belittling, it's frustrating, and it chips away at any motivation to continue producing artwork. I know of too many who already have, and others currently on the verge of leaving because they feel like they aren't allowed to do what they want, and the fact it can get to that point is beyond infuriating.

In a different context, think of it like this. It's your birthday, and you have a friend who comes around, and presents you with a wonderful chocolate cake they slaved away making the entirety of yesterday. But, you don't really like chocolate cake, and much prefer cheesecake. Instead of being courteous, maybe having a slice, saying "thank you" for it, even if you aren't exactly thrilled with it, but can still appreciate the effort put in, you just shove it away and say "Eh I prefer cheesecake" or "Is there a chance you could make cheesecake? I hope you can make a cheesecake" or "eh, looks fine. Can't wait to see you make a cheesecake though!". As the friend, I would feel the effort I put towards you is a wasted effort, it's demoralising, it makes me feel less wanting to create anything for you again because if it doesn't suit you, you actively belittle my effort. It's not a perfect analogue for the situation at hand, it's much more personal than what artists and writers here face, but it still conveys the sense of pity and frustration that comes from this whole issue.

To play devil's advocate somewhat, I generally disagree.

It's not belittling to give a suggestion or state your preference. It can be done in an obnoxious or rude way, but I don't think there's anything wrong with perference-based suggestions in themselves.

It's not like going to a party and asking someone to give you a different type of cake that they don't have, it's more like a suggestion that they could do a different type of cake at the next party. The person who threw the party doesn't have to follow every suggestion, but it seems rather ridiculous to be offended by them. Maybe the person who hosted the party is disgusted by cheesecake and will never consider making it? Fair enough. They can just explain that and move on. Maybe they wonder if their other friends like cheesecake and would consider making it if there was enough demand for it, even if they wouldn't choose to make it for themselves? Sure, but they don't need to feel obliged to if they really don't want to.

Also, it's not as if the porn people make on this site is specifically made for every individual who happens to look at it - we're not friends going to a party to eat a finite amount of cake, we're people on the internet looking at a website held on a server. Unlike refusing to eat something, one extra person seeing something that they think could be better doesn't lessen its value or make the effort go to waste (I guess unless it's permavore - and I have seen a few people complaining about permavore in a way similar to what you've described, and it did come across as somewhat unreasonable).

Some people on both sides seem to be ascribing malice where it's simply not there - some people seem to think that everything on the site that doesn't appeal to their specific interests is designed to annoy them, and some people seem to think that everyone giving suggestions or feedback is trying to control what they can and can't draw or write.

Going out of your way to say you don't like something without giving any sort of positive feedback is generally dickish, but I don't see people doing that very often other than with more extreme fetish stuff like gore and scat. Maybe your experiences are different, I don't really know, and you might be exposed to a lot of rude or irrelevant comments, but I think it might be better for you to just remember that you're not obliged to do what other people on this site want, and that other people stating their preferences doesn't make yours worth any less. Engaging with your audience can be very useful, even if it's just to say "no, I'm not interested in doing that".

[nyte]

For example, on art pieces and writing, I've more and more noticed comments as such. (Please note these comments are purely examples and not real comments, any likeness to such is coincidental.)

Ah, not a huge fan of M/F personally.
Are they going to be ok? I hope they'll be ok.
Looks good. Can't wait to see some oral vore from you!

At first glance, you might think all but the first comment are fine, but I want to stress this, even if it isn't intentional, Please do not comment on something based off preferences. Artists, writers, roleplayers, every member of this community who creates content in one form or another puts in their time and effort to create things. These artists and creators have preferences too. They are most likely going to create things that co-inside with those preferences. But instead, you, intentionally or not, belittling this time and effort that people put in because something doesn't associate to your tastes. I'll reiterate again, you can like whatever, but so can creators. I can understand if you don't enjoy certain things, but that isn't a platform to belittle something. Just, move on, accept the item isn't for you, and, move on, you don't need to try and alert a creator to what essentially boils down to "I don't like this because it isn't for me." It's belittling, it's frustrating, and it chips away at any motivation to continue producing artwork. I know of too many who already have, and others currently on the verge of leaving because they feel like they aren't allowed to do what they want, and the fact it can get to that point is beyond infuriating.

In a different context, think of it like this. It's your birthday, and you have a friend who comes around, and presents you with a wonderful chocolate cake they slaved away making the entirety of yesterday. But, you don't really like chocolate cake, and much prefer cheesecake. Instead of being courteous, maybe having a slice, saying "thank you" for it, even if you aren't exactly thrilled with it, but can still appreciate the effort put in, you just shove it away and say "Eh I prefer cheesecake" or "Is there a chance you could make cheesecake? I hope you can make a cheesecake" or "eh, looks fine. Can't wait to see you make a cheesecake though!". As the friend, I would feel the effort I put towards you is a wasted effort, it's demoralising, it makes me feel less wanting to create anything for you again because if it doesn't suit you, you actively belittle my effort. It's not a perfect analogue for the situation at hand, it's much more personal than what artists and writers here face, but it still conveys the sense of pity and frustration that comes from this whole issue.

To play devil's advocate somewhat, I generally disagree.

It's not belittling to give a suggestion or state your preference. It can be done in an obnoxious or rude way, but I don't think there's anything wrong with perference-based suggestions in themselves.

It's not like going to a party and asking someone to give you a different type of cake that they don't have, it's more like a suggestion that they could do a different type of cake at the next party. The person who threw the party doesn't have to follow every suggestion, but it seems rather ridiculous to be offended by them. Maybe the person who hosted the party is disgusted by cheesecake and will never consider making it? Fair enough. They can just explain that and move on. Maybe they wonder if their other friends like cheesecake and would consider making it if there was enough demand for it, even if they wouldn't choose to make it for themselves? Sure, but they don't need to feel obliged to if they really don't want to.

Also, it's not as if the porn people make on this site is specifically made for every individual who happens to look at it - we're not friends going to a party to eat a finite amount of cake, we're people on the internet looking at a website held on a server. Unlike refusing to eat something, one extra person seeing something that they think could be better doesn't lessen its value or make the effort go to waste (I guess unless it's permavore - and I have seen a few people complaining about permavore in a way similar to what you've described, and it did come across as somewhat unreasonable).

Some people on both sides seem to be ascribing malice where it's simply not there - some people seem to think that everything on the site that doesn't appeal to their specific interests is designed to annoy them, and some people seem to think that everyone giving suggestions or feedback is trying to control what they can and can't draw or write.

Going out of your way to say you don't like something without giving any sort of positive feedback is generally dickish, but I don't see people doing that very often other than with more extreme fetish stuff like gore and scat. Maybe your experiences are different, I don't really know, and you might be exposed to a lot of rude or irrelevant comments, but I think it might be better for you to just remember that you're not obliged to do what other people on this site want, and that other people stating their preferences doesn't make yours worth any less. Engaging with your audience can be very useful, even if it's just to say "no, I'm not interested in doing that".

It's still rude to go to a party that someone hosted and suggest a different kind of cake than the one they offered for next time.

General rule of thumb for courtesy: Ask if you can provide a suggestion first. If someone doesn't ask for your opinion or preference, don't give it.

[Jayezox]

Mark me if I'm wrong, but one exception to this rule is, "I normally don't like X but this is great!" It's not discouraging the creator, but in fact praising them for doing such a good job that they get someone outside the circle to enjoy it.

I think if more people were on the look-out for these types of responses and attitudes and less tolerant of it, there would be a lot less of it. But with the largely blind-eye that tends to be turned toward it, people are going to continue to think that entitlement toward artists and creators is okay and acceptable.

I'm going leave this quote here. While I don't like getting comments from people who are a slightly less than supportive anymore than the next person, I also don't want to see dumb comments become a socially acceptable excuse to be a jerk to people. And that is the impression I get when I see someone directly advocating intolerance and call out culture. That is not the path to a more united, friendlier community.

I can't believe how many times I should have spoken up when someone complained about the absence of a preference that others would be disgusted by.

[jaggedjagd]

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