"Forbidden Dish" Feature Film

[radmann]

>Wiking2000 (who has ACTUALLY made things in the past) wasn't able to get the rights to the story
>you haven't talked about funding in any case, because: see below, it takes Wiking and even BAD PORN ACTORS a WHILE to make even shitty things, let alone GOOD things like what Wiking and some others like Eskoz do...
>the stories are COMPLETELY one and done fap fics with no substance, ESPECIALLY for a feature length film
>porn creators who make THOUSANDS of dollars a month can't get any sort of good visual effects on their own
>this is your first film... WHY make this your first film? And not just that, if this is... You know how HARD it is to even MAKE something simple with a team, LET ALONE by yourself?
>bringing this to the mainstream
>hiring girls who are going to be not only comfortable, but also more than just "you like that little man!?" in terms of acting
>the acting is just doomed to be awful
There are a LOT of problems for not only this "being made", but just existing. You have said a lot, but basically, it's no more than someone saying "I am going to make it!" without doing anything else. Your website is... Quite baron in actual information outside of what you would LIKE the film to be... So, really, why? Plus only 2 forum posts? You registered JUST this week my dude, why not have more of a stance in the vore community? That's... Odd...

I'm a film maker, and quite frankly, this is... Wow, really hard to believe anything of it. Not only would this cost a LOT, but would take a HUGE team, something you are seeming not to have... Also, it's a "feminist" sort of film? Why? This isn't "empowering", it's a FETISH lol

[Miridium]

>Wiking2000 (who has ACTUALLY made things in the past) wasn't able to get the rights to the story
>you haven't talked about funding in any case, because: see below, it takes Wiking and even BAD PORN ACTORS a WHILE to make even shitty things, let alone GOOD things like what Wiking and some others like Eskoz do...
>the stories are COMPLETELY one and done fap fics with no substance, ESPECIALLY for a feature length film
>porn creators who make THOUSANDS of dollars a month can't get any sort of good visual effects on their own
>this is your first film... WHY make this your first film? And not just that, if this is... You know how HARD it is to even MAKE something simple with a team, LET ALONE by yourself?
>bringing this to the mainstream
>hiring girls who are going to be not only comfortable, but also more than just "you like that little man!?" in terms of acting
>the acting is just doomed to be awful
There are a LOT of problems for not only this "being made", but just existing. You have said a lot, but basically, it's no more than someone saying "I am going to make it!" without doing anything else. Your website is... Quite baron in actual information outside of what you would LIKE the film to be... So, really, why? Plus only 2 forum posts? You registered JUST this week my dude, why not have more of a stance in the vore community? That's... Odd...

I'm a film maker, and quite frankly, this is... Wow, really hard to believe anything of it. Not only would this cost a LOT, but would take a HUGE team, something you are seeming not to have... Also, it's a "feminist" sort of film? Why? This isn't "empowering", it's a FETISH lol

Yeah this'll probably be a disaster.

[radmann]

Miridium, >implying it's even ACTUALLY going to be made
Downsizing cost $68 MILLION to make, and that wasn't even due to the actors. It ain't going to happen, and even if it somehow "did", it FOR SURE would be a disaster. There is just nothing in this ideas favor alone, let alone any actual reason for it to exist, EVERYTHING is against it, whether it be production (which this film isn't even in, even though pre has been going on for 2 years), to everything involved with everything else, right down to the fact that to 90% of people, vore is either funny or creepy, meaning it has no appeal. It's too silly to be taken anything more seriously than a b-movie, and too creepy for anyone else because it IS a fetish, and people still look down on things like Totally Spies or other such things that incorporated them in here and there.

[Miridium]

Miridium, >implying it's even ACTUALLY going to be made
Downsizing cost $68 MILLION to make, and that wasn't even due to the actors. It ain't going to happen, and even if it somehow "did", it FOR SURE would be a disaster. There is just nothing in this ideas favor alone, let alone any actual reason for it to exist, EVERYTHING is against it, whether it be production (which this film isn't even in, even though pre has been going on for 2 years), to everything involved with everything else, right down to the fact that to 90% of people, vore is either funny or creepy, meaning it has no appeal. It's too silly to be taken anything more seriously than a b-movie, and too creepy for anyone else because it IS a fetish, and people still look down on things like Totally Spies or other such things that incorporated them in here and there.

Yeah you know what they say about things that sound too good to be true. This to me, now that I think about it, has a lot of signs of a scam.

[nutritious]

I personally hate where the last posts are going to. Every artist knows the pain of creating something new, lest something they want to express. If you really have to go that big, just look into production hell of every James Cameron movie. Its his personal purgatory. Every time someone is creating something profound, its connected with efford!Dont you dare to create the impression this is impossible due to the effort or funding. Every creative project/process has to go through some pain. Thats the truth.Everything is possible. Just ask Tomy Wiseau or Elon Musk

[radmann]

nutritious,
>account was created a month ago
>no favorites
>not following anyone
>Only one comment on Ekas
>this is one of your FEW forum posts
Hello shill, might want to try harder if you want to seem legit. Let's get a few things across first, shall we? This isn't about someones struggle, I get we almost ALL have humble beginnings, but this is QUITE a bit different. With all those examples, they all made relatively easy to make films: I.E. Terminator is essentially an action slasher movie. And Tommy Wiseau (his name has two M's) made an EXTREMELY shitty movie that is only remembered because people thought it was SO extremely bad, that it was funny. It's almost as if you didn't read half the things I said in my original post honestly. Like, this is all smoke and mirrors bullshit with NOTHING standing behind it.

PLUS: this is a FETISH. MOVIE. Why does this need to be made? I brought up Downsizing, which is essentially this but with no vore... THAT MOVIE BOMBED and was called CREEPY, plus the special effects were terrible... If a movie with that budget can't get the idea right, why would a dude, with NO BACKGROUND do something better? Why wasn't Wiking2000 allowed the rights when he has experience? Like, there are so many more questions past: Can he do it?

There is a lot more, but you're being VERY naive and ignorant about this. And don't tell me I can't do/say what I just did! Because I am MORE than allowed to, especially with something with SO little substance to the information about it.

Which reminds me, I was told that something VERY similar to this post happened a while back, and nothing happened, so I wonder if history just repeats itself with people trying to get attention :^)

[TripleZeroFilms]

>Wiking2000 (who has ACTUALLY made things in the past).....things that incorporated them in here and there.

Well, I'll give you one thing, you've managed to say a lot. And don't get me wrong, I'd be skeptical too if I had just heard of this project out of the blue - I am aware just how easy it is for people to "bullshit" and just say they are going to do things (a large reason I hesitated to mention it to this community in the first place). That said, after all these years of work, I thought it would be neat to be able to share even the existence of this project with those that might be most interested.

As for specifics, I'll try address your points as best I can (though, to be fair, some of them are decidedly more accusatory than merely skeptical):

Wiking2000 (who has ACTUALLY made things in the past) wasn't able to get the rights to the story

While it is true that, as I had already procured the rights, Wiking2000 did not use the Forbidden Dish setting within his video, it was (in his own words on my thread at Giantess City) ultimately a good thing as it allowed him both an easier time animating (foregoing all the branding and rules and the like) and freed him to cut to the "chase" more swiftly, as it were. For what it is worth, he seems to be supportive of this project and bears it no ill will. To each is own, I suppose.

you haven't talked about funding in any case

That's true. To be frank, what the film costs (and worrying about the funding) is not anyone else's concern. It's my film, and as such I'll worry about getting it made - I just want everyone else to (hopefully) enjoy the finished product

it takes Wiking and even BAD PORN ACTORS a WHILE to make even shitty things, let alone GOOD things

I couldn't agree more - which is exactly WHY it has taken me as long as it has to get to this point. Quality is a time-sink, certainly, but the rewards are worth it. After all, if your only intention is to half-ass something, why bother?

>the stories are COMPLETELY one and done fap fics with no substance, ESPECIALLY for a feature length film

Of everything you said (again, quite a bit), this is the point with with I disagree the most. The fact that you only see them as such reflects more as a failure of imagination on your own part than on anything inherent within the works themselves.

porn creators who make THOUSANDS of dollars a month can't get any sort of good visual effects on their own

Right - because the supposed return on investment for putting in the time and effort required for such effects into porn (particularly if it is for a niche community) just isn't there. But, as I stated in my original post, this is a feature film - not a "fetish video" or porn or whichever other label you would like to attach. A such, quality effects (in this case) are something worth investing in (and, in fact, a necessity).

>this is your first film... WHY make this your first film?

I thought my website did a good job of covering that topic, but I'll address it here as well. These stories - the world and the characters that inhabit it - just spoke to me. I saw (and still see) something special in them that others (yourself clearly included) did not. All art (or at least all good art) needs to come from as place of passion. As I said, I've always dreamed of making movies and I'm sick the hollywood model of merely re-packaging the same stories again and again without attempting to add anything new or to innovate. Additionally, seeing as how a story covering these themes - with a world like this - has never been put to screen before, it seemed a perfect opportunity to tell a kind of story that isn't being made right now (at least, not that I've seen).

You know how HARD it is to even MAKE something simple with a team, LET ALONE by yourself?

Absolutely! As with any independent filmmaker, there is no need to pay others to handle something that you can do yourself (nevermind the wonderful opportunity to learn new skills). As a result, I've handled all aspects of pre-production by myself - as an example (but one of many): I was by no means a 2D artist before I began making the storyboards. But after a great deal of time and practice (and sustaining a hand injury from overuse), I was able to hand draw all 6500+. As they are an important tool to communicating my ideas to collaborators (as well as in creating the animatic), it was a something that had to be done.

As for alone, I have no intention of making something on this scale by myself. This will be a fully-fledged independent film complete with cast, crew, and professional-grade equipment. Film is, by its very nature, a collaborative medium and as anyone who has ever made anything of scale can attest, impossible to do by one's self. I'm actually super excited to be entering the stage of this project where I will being having more interaction with these other artists - pre-production can be lonely work!

bringing this to the mainstream

Again, I know talk is cheap, but I think I've found a way - otherwise I wouldn't bother. Don't get me wrong: I have no expectations or intentions that this will "normalize" or "popularize" these concepts, just that it will introduce them. That said, a good movie (or story for that matter) always needs to be able to express and connect ideals to diverse populations - you need not be a reclusive socialite to empathize with the struggles of Gatsby, nor a intergalactic space pirate to root for the success of Peter Quill.

hiring girls who are going to be not only comfortable, but also more than just "you like that little man!?" in terms of acting

Well, not to belabor the point, but as I am making a feature film, I won't be "hiring girls" - I'll be casting actors (of both sexes). As such, the ability to connect with the character and properly channel that emotion to their performance (ie. acting) will be of the utmost importance.

the acting is just doomed to be awful

If one hires bad actors, I suppose. (Well, unless you mean "doomed" as in by some voodoo-style curse. In that case, there is not much that can be done. Well, besides sacrificing chickens.)

There are a LOT of problems for not only this "being made", but just existing.

I couldn't agree more that there are variety of hurdles in making this film (though much the same could be said of any film, particularly those outside the studio system). Giving up just because something is hard, however, does nothing more than ensure it's failure (not to be horribly cliche here, but there is a whole idiom regarding "missing 100% of the shots you never take"). In any case, I look forward to not only tackling these challenges but overcoming them - I've managed to do so thus far and I have no plan on stopping

You have said a lot, but basically, it's no more than someone saying "I am going to make it!" without doing anything else

In actuality, I have done quite a lot else over the past 2 1/2 years (some of which was listed in my original post). Unfortunately, filmmaking being what it is, people only ever (usually) see the tip of the iceberg - the finished project. That's a good thing, BTW, as most people aren't very concerned with how the proverbial sausage is made. It does, however, tend to result in skepticism from those not as intimately familiar with the project when it is ever mentioned prior to completion. The world (and internet) being what it is, I'd imagine some people would still debate its existence if they were holding the Blu-ray - C'est la vie.

Your website is... Quite baron in actual information outside of what you would LIKE the film to be...

Well, given that the film isn't complete yet (hence, pre-production), there is an inherent difficulty in speaking about it in terms other than what I would like it to be - after all, it would be quite difficult to speak about what it is until it, in fact, is. In truth, the notion your speaking about seems to accurately describe what a "pitch" for a film is.

As for other website related concerns, I would merely point you to the fact that (as mentioned in my first post) this is my first stab as such a thing. Web development is not my forte, and as such I'm sure much may be left to desire when compared to those with a great deal more design experience than myself.

Plus only 2 forum posts? You registered JUST this week my dude, why not have more of a stance in the vore community? That's... Odd...

I have only 2 posts, since, as you just mentioned, I only registered this week - to let an interested community know about a project I thought they would enjoy. I was never asking for permission to make the movie I'm already making (except from the original authors, of course), but rather attempting to share something I was excited about. I'm sorry if that violates some sort of etiquette. (I should also point out that despite the seniority, your post count is also low. Quality over quantity usually leads to the best results, after all.)

I'm a film maker, and quite frankly, this is... Wow, really hard to believe anything of it. Not only would this cost a LOT, but would take a HUGE team, something you are seeming not to have.

Indeed, with any independent film, cost and crew are always concerns. Just because they have not been explicitly mentioned thus far does not mean they are not priorities "behind the curtain," as it were.

Also, it's a "feminist" sort of film? Why? This isn't "empowering", it's a FETISH lol

Vorarephilia is a fetish, yes. It is also a (rather large) component to this particular story. That said, this FILM is attempting to tell a nuanced and complex story with a predominantly female (main) cast. Not only that, but as mentioned on my site, the goal is to employ a great deal of women behind the camera as well. Too often, even in stories about women, they are criminally underrepresented within the film industry and while I don't purport to change the world, I'd like to help rectify that problem on sets which are under my control. (For instance: I, personally, would love to hear more scores from female composers - they make up around only 13% of the total, at the moment.)

implying it's even ACTUALLY going to be made

Well, if I have anything to say about it - and I think I do - I'm going to try my hardest to make sure it is

Downsizing cost $68 MILLION to make, and that wasn't even due to the actors.

And that was a studio film with studio size and costs. By that logic, the most independent films shouldn't exist - after all, how can anyone be more frugal than Hollywood?

which this film isn't even in, even though pre has been going on for 2 years

Which, if you know anything about making an actual film, you know is not really abnomal. There is an absurd amount of work that takes place in pre-pro (particularly when you have a small or single man crew on it) and all of it is integral to the quality of the finished product. The reason most "bad" movies exist isn't because the effects suck, or the actors did a bad job (I mean, those things DO happen) - it is because the proper legwork was not done in crafting a well-made narrative (i.e. a rushed script) or worrying about shot composition. Those things take just as long whether you are working on Avatar or a low budget indi - at least if you do them right.

It ain't going to happen, and even if it somehow "did", it FOR SURE would be a disaster. There is just nothing in this ideas favor alone, let alone any actual reason for it to exist, EVERYTHING is against it, whether it be production....to everything involved with everything else, right down to the fact that to 90% of people, vore is either funny or creepy, meaning it has no appeal. It's too silly to be taken anything more seriously than a b-movie, and too creepy for anyone else because it IS a fetish, and people still look down on things like Totally Spies or other such things that incorporated them in here and there.

Like any filmmaker ever, I can't promise that audience will have ANY specific reaction to the movie until they get a chance to see it. I'd like to think that I've done a good job at crafting a story that will relate to and engage people from across the film-going spectrum, but I'm sure that (even in the best of circumstances) there will be people who hate it. And that fine! People are allowed to have opinions on art - heck, that's the point. Any art that is so bland as to inspire a dearth of reactions didn't have much going for it to begin with.

As for a reason to exist, I think it has quite a good one - I want it to. Not just for myself, but for for everyone who ever saw something special in those stories, and for everyone else that will ultimately see and enjoy the film. No piece of art (or media) has any more "reason" to exist than that somebody felt the same way about it as I do this, nor does any have any more right to exist than another. (Not that I'm comparing the two, but) Star Wars, while commonplace today, was at one time just about the most ridiculous concept that one could imagine - after all, audiences won't take this movie about magical space wizards and dog-man co-pilots as anything more than a b-movie. On paper, it shouldn't work. But that is the wonderful thing about film (and art in general) - it can sometimes lead to pleasant, and unexpected, surprises. With a good story, solid actors, and a crafty crew, movies can end up being more than the sum of their parts. There will always be those that doubt a concept (or an actor, or a director, etc), but the only real test is the audience. They're the only vote that matters. I can say nothing more than that I see something truly special here (why else would I spend so much time and effort on it) and I think I can help other people see it too.

I should also mention, despite the wall of text above, I don't harbor any ill will or negativity toward you. You have every right to be skeptical, and I don't blame you for speaking your mind. I look forward to being able to prove you wrong in your misgivings and show everyone what I can do

Yeah you know what they say about things that sound too good to be true. This to me, now that I think about it, has a lot of signs of a scam.

I hate that you feel that way, though I'll confess a bit of confusion as to the exact aims such a scam might have. I've asked for, and expect, nothing and only wanted to share a project that I thought people would enjoy.

Regarding a previous post of yours regarding timeline, between finishing pre-production, the actual shoot (production), and post-production (a laborious task given the special effects involved) I don't expect the film to be complete until at least early 2021. Seeing that I was nearing some of the more "fun bits" of the process, it seemed a good time to share the existence of this project with those that might be interested in following along.

Finally, to end on a happier note:

Netflix could bite

I see what you did there!

[Miridium]

Sigh...

I feel bad for whoever you have managed to fool at this point. I can see through your charade thanks to my own sucky-ass life experiences. Doubly sucks that so many other people will not be so fortunate.

[SamL369]

Sigh...

I feel bad for whoever you have managed to fool at this point. I can see through your charade thanks to my own sucky-ass life experiences. Doubly sucks that so many other people will not be so fortunate.

Stop being so fucking negative man. Wait till he has made enough progress to show us something before you start judging it. Theres no point hating on something you havent even seen yet. To the TC, if you mean what you say, I wish you luck in your passion project.

[Miridium]

Sigh...

I feel bad for whoever you have managed to fool at this point. I can see through your charade thanks to my own sucky-ass life experiences. Doubly sucks that so many other people will not be so fortunate.

Stop being so fucking negative man. Wait till he has made enough progress to show us something before you start judging it. Theres no point hating on something you havent even seen yet. To the TC, if you mean what you say, I wish you luck in your passion project.

I'm just sayin'. I've seen many a scam in my day. And this guy shows many signs of a scammer.

[French_snack]

I'm just sayin'. I've seen many a scam in my day. And this guy shows many signs of a scammer.

I really don't think so. First, what would he have to gain? Second, as far as I'm aware he's already paid girlfood for the rights to the setting; he also offered to pay me (last year), but I declined. Third, I've been in contact with him for months, and he's already put a lot of work into the project.

[thespyfurry69]

i get the feeling that Armin Miewes will show up in the film

[Eka]

Just so everyone know I already looked into this before he post this advert and I personally don't see any problem. I am well aware of his connection with the other artist and they are speaking out well enough for them.

At the moment I have no concern with this project or OP's standing on whether there are something sketchy going on.

[Miridium]

Just so everyone know I already looked into this before he post this advert and I personally don't see any problem. I am well aware of his connection with the other artist and they are speaking out well enough for them.

At the moment I have no concern with this project or OP's standing on whether there are something sketchy going on.

Aight. Thanks for the clarification.

[RDRW]

Yeah when you think about it: why should this be scam? He didn't asked us for anything, he just said that he's going to do this project. It would be more suspicious if he asked us to donate money, but this way? The worst thing he could do is saying "lol just kidding, this isn't real trololol", but it would be weird to give such detailed answers in this thread just to make such a cheap joke.

Yes, I am also not fully convinced if this film is going to be good, because you really need a good amount of money for this film to not look like Sharknado, and a really good crew and actors to make it feel believable. And I really wonder how you managed to get all this for a film with such a niche topic.
BUT if this is not a fake (and like I said, I think it probably isn't), this seems to be an ambitious project. So who knows, as insane as making such a film sounds, maybe he will surprise us and comes up with an actual good film. So I will simply look what happens in the future to this project and if this film actually comes out, I will definitly watch it, and be it only out of curiosity.
And I want to note that you don't always need an insane amount of money to make a good looking film. "The Signal" for example had some really cool special effects and it only cost 4 Mio$. And they even got Laurence Fishbourne. However, while this is a ridiculously low budget for a Hollywood production, if you're completely independent (and it looks like you are), this would still be A LOT of money.

Plus, I want to add: I didn't know the Forbidden Dish stories before. Now I've read two entries of them. As micro/macro vore stories, they are quite good. So far I haven't seen that much background to it for an feature length film that also appeals to people outside the vore community. But like I said, I don't know these stories enough to really judge it.
But I'm pretty sure that it could be generally possible to make a movie with a vore setting that also appeals to a wider audience. Just don't focus on actual vore scenes, but more like: imagine a world in which vore exists. How would it look and work like? How would people feel about it? How would it affect their daily life? If you focus on these questions, on the characters and don't show that much actual vore, I really think you could make a vore-including-movie that is more than a fetish film. But it would still be a very niche film.

[Kitsouille]

Worst case scenario it's fake and you lost your time reading his website and this thread. I doubt it's a scam.