Food chain logic or nah?

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Food chain logic or nah?

Postby AkaiFenneku » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:59 am

Okay so the title is a bit... shit if I had to be honest but I wasn't sure what other way I could word my question lol. But hopefully it was clear enough (?).

Sooo here's the thing. When it comes to vore, the logic of the natural food chain is a big thing for a lot of people, and something they 100% follow through when it comes to their fantasies. Others don't really give it much thought and just do whatever they please.
What does this mean? For example, the natural order of things in real life dictates that carnivores eat hervibores, as it's obvious. However, while in vore a lot of people follow this logic, others portray hervibore creatures as preds even if it doesn't ''make sense'' per se. Of course I am not saying that this is wrong in any way because... let's face it, vore is a fictional fetish as is, and hervibore preds are not the most '''nonsensical''' thing you can see in it. I don't mind if people like 'em at all.

In my case, I tend to follow the logic of the food chain strictly, aka, I'm not really a fan of hervibore preds. However, as I do more research on animals' dietary habits, I've realized that certain species of hervibore animals may eat meat during desperate situations, such as not finding a source of edible vegetation. For examples, deers have been seen eating dead animals during harsh winters due to the reason I already explained. There are also hervibore animals who eat their offspring when they detect they've been born with an illness or defect or... just because. So I've kind of grown to tolerate the portrayal of certain hervibore animal preds due to this.

This is where omnivore animals come in and make me feel a little bit confused (?).

Pigs, boars, mice, rats, badgers, squirrels, bears, etc. are proven to be omnivorous. Excluding the bear and maybe badger though, most of the animals I've listed are mostly portrayed as prey in vore and most fictional media today. Mice and rats are a classic example, being preyed on by cats, snakes and such. In fact, as stupid as it sounds, I always saw mice and rats eating exclusively seeds, berries/fruit and the ocassional bug, but apparently they'll eat almost anything. Pigs are more ''clearly'' omnivore yet they're also mostly portrayed as prey.
One of the reasons I'm discussing omnivores is because lately I've caught myself looking up Raichu vore (one of my favourite generation 1 Pokémon) and feeling a bit weird about it due to my usual preferences until I learnt a lot of rodents are omnivores.

I'd like to add that I also really don't see humans eating apex predators such as lions, wolves or such, but I can see/draw them eating hervibores or, you know, things humans usually eat (and also humans eating other humans). Not even my human/animal hybrids would dare eat someone of their own species, though I gotta say I'm kind of neutral on everything (minus hervibores doing it) when it comes to a member of a species eating another of their own.

So here's the conclusion to this thread... How do you see vore yourself? If you include animals in your vore, regardless of them being anthro or feral, do you follow the logic of what the food chain dictates in real life? Are you more neutral on it and take certain liberties? Or do you say 'fuck all' and do a complete 180 (hervibores eating carnivores for example) or make everyone eat each other regardless of species and dietary status?

I'd love to hear your thoughts! It's always interesting to hear how other people view the food chain in vore. And I gotta say a lot of what I do in vore heavily depends on the context and all, and also the sexual or non-sexual nature of the scenario, but this would be about it-
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby hernextmeal » Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:16 pm

AkaiFenneku wrote:I've realized that certain species of hervibore animals may eat meat during desperate situations, such as not finding a source of edible vegetation. For examples, deers have been seen eating dead animals during harsh winters due to the reason I already explained. There are also hervibore animals who eat their offspring when they detect they've been born with an illness or defect or... just because. So I've kind of grown to tolerate the portrayal of certain hervibore animal preds due to this.


It's not even just desperate situations, many herbivores will accept meat or insects if given to them and they're actually physically capable of eating it, though this isn't something likely to happen outside of captivity.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby Ghrelin » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:29 pm

The "food chain" is pretty loose as it is. People who say "X species can't eat Y because food chain" clearly haven't watched enough nature documentaries...
I like to follow a similar structure with my anthro stuff, wherein species largely follow their preferred natural diet, but things are still flexible. Like, carnivorous species are much more likely to view others, especially smaller or more herbivorous species, as prey. The herbivores still have the potential to be preds, but they'd do it much less often, and predators are more likely to eat creatures that their wild counterparts would in real life.
I don't care much how other people portray it in their own stuff, since especially with anthros, they're more like humans in behavior and function anyway more often than not. They tend to follow more human-like dietary "rules", making everyone potentially an omnivore. But for my personal work, I find it more fun and interesting to have the animal aspects of the characters play a bigger role in their actions and personalities.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby EnderDracolich » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:49 pm

AkaiFenneku wrote:I'd love to hear your thoughts! It's always interesting to hear how other people view the food chain in vore. And I gotta say a lot of what I do in vore heavily depends on the context and all, and also the sexual or non-sexual nature of the scenario, but this would be about it-


Don't give a single shit about the 'food chain' when dealing with Vore, because it's already unrealistic. Doubly so if you rope anthros (which themselves are fictional) into the mix.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby sweetladyamy » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:57 pm

Food 'Chain'.

It's not. Not even close. 'Food Web' would be far more precise.

Also, many winged insects are omnivorous, like most butterflies (yeah, I've seen this in action and they're not subtle).

Anyway, as far as vore is concerned, there's no focus on this aspect of consumption practices at all in my RPs or solo art.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby R_U_Snacksize » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:25 pm

Personally I don't care if they have a pig eating a rat that just ate a mouse. What kills it for me is when the pig eats 120000 rats a day and each rat eats 34000 mice a day. Exaggerated numbers I know but some have preds eating so much prey it stretches my already stretched imagination a little too much.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby AlimentaryArtist » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:33 pm

I agree in cases where it's like Pred is stalking the streets looking for Prey and hunts them down and swallows them whole, kicking and screaming. But if there's a sexual side to it, then I can totally get my head around say a rabbit and a fox where the fox is prey because that's what he/she enjoys.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby janejobs » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:30 pm

I do have rules in my stories for what species eats what.
Megalodons and dragons are at the top of the food chain.
Below them, giants and giant merfolk.
Humans are below them. In my stories, they eat all the same meat that real life humans do.

Once I was feeling experimental and wrote a story in which designated vore clubs were the only places where it's legal for humans to eat other humans. Apart from that, I tend to follow the logic outlined above.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby Cowrie » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:13 pm

In general, I don't really care about what an animal normally eats in real life in regards to vore stuff. However, in some settings, I might have more structured views. For example, my bunnygirl pred characters Cindy and Cassandra are oddities in their world - rabbits aren't normally preds in that setting. However, they're direct descendants of the Beast of Caerbannog (Monty Python reference FTW), so they're not only predators, but extremely voracious predators.

Also, regarding generally herbivorous animals eating meat, wild deer don't just do it when there's not enough edible plant matter, they are also known to eat small animals or at least organs of such when the local plant life is lacking certain nutrients. There's this island in Scotland or somewhere like that where the deer population routinely kills seabirds to eat their hearts.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby R_U_Snacksize » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:43 am

Cowrie wrote:In general, I don't really care about what an animal normally eats in real life in regards to vore stuff. However, in some settings, I might have more structured views. For example, my bunnygirl pred characters Cindy and Cassandra are oddities in their world - rabbits aren't normally preds in that setting. However, they're direct descendants of the Beast of Caerbannog (Monty Python reference FTW), so they're not only predators, but extremely voracious predators.

Also, regarding generally herbivorous animals eating meat, wild deer don't just do it when there's not enough edible plant matter, they are also known to eat small animals or at least organs of such when the local plant life is lacking certain nutrients. There's this island in Scotland or somewhere like that where the deer population routinely kills seabirds to eat their hearts.


Deer sometimes bite the heads off of ground nesting birds at night, also cows have eaten chickens for no reason that I ever figured out. Seriously, the cow was well fed, and even eating when the chicken walked too close.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby LightDragon » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:11 pm

It depends on the type of vore :
- Willing pred as nateural predation : There, of course, it is important for me to respect the food chain logic
- Willing pred as a way of aggression or murder : In this case, I tend to accept some disrespect to food chain logic. However, I still prefer when it makes sens in term of size (cat/mouse makes sense, while the other way around doesn't without size modification. Same-specie same-size predation is an exception, as I tolerate it)
- Unwilling/Unaware pred : In the case of unwilling pred, I tend to accept virtually anything. I tend to think that, if given choice, an herbivore will refuse to eat a prey simply because it knows it will have trouble to digest it.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby failbird105 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:43 pm

It all depends on the setting, but more often then not I put together my own food chain/web rather than following the one of the real world.

That being said, there's something very good about vore with a fully intelligent prey, and other people just letting it happen because that's just how it is, food chain says so.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby fixated1 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:21 am

Seeing horses, cows, and deer all eat small birds made me convinced that anything will eat anything that it can. If it can fit you in its mouth, there's a chance it will think of you as food. So I don't fret too much about it. Although I do like the approach of a creature that never considered eating meat before me suddenly has something awoken, and the now predator decides it likes this new dynamic.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby SamWamm » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:52 pm

lol I'm a roundworm so the food chain to me is a joke.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby Duke The Wolf » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:55 pm

I can pretty much get into it either way. For instance I do find cow, horse, and pig preds to be very much to my liking, but on the other hand, if I'm reading a story where a mouse gets eaten by a tiger and the tiger taunts him for "knowing his place in the food chain" that's also very good.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby SamWamm » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:32 am

okay, I like herbivore preds but also that concept you mentioned of the pred taunting.

I think it works even better when the mouse taunts the lion.

is that just me?
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby Cowrie » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:48 am

I'm not sure it works better, but I'd say such taunting works at least as well in such circumstances.
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Re: Food chain logic or nah?

Postby YogurtAvacre » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:02 am

in vore it's usually rabbits that end up as prey but I like rabbits so I prefer them to be the pred
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