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How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby wynonna » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:22 am

To me, vore is just a whimsical fantasy.
But, it comes to my attention that some view it as porn.
While I suppose others would simply describe it as a whimsical fetish.
Or is it something else I have yet to consider?
However one chooses to label it, I would say whatever vore is; is truly in the eye of the beholder.

Edit:Perhaps my inspiration for this post may be in order. There is a cartoonist among us with whom I have shared a few PM's and they were having a bit of an ethical quandary about being a pornographer. To which I replied that vore is one of those things that it is what the observer, perceives it as being. Even as an artist, just because one person my see your work as one thing, doesn't mean that everyone who looks at it sees the same thing. The only thing that should matter is how you see your work in your eye. The statue of David for example. Some view it as art, some people call it porn.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Gendor » Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:03 pm

I like to think that what makes art, art, is that each person can add their own feelings into it, if there is only one thing everyone agrees on (Like porn) then it's not necessarily art.

I do however see vore as a fetish, a sexually charged thing, that has a lot of connections to other fetishes like domination, but even as much as some people like to say "it isn't porn", I feel like this idea comes from vore in childhood cartoons, whereas I draw from the almost ancient idea of Vorarephilia, the eroticism to me cannot be fully removed from vore, without turning it into "one character eats anothers", but since the term Vore is much easier to use, it gets used, sadly this causes a lot of mix up and arguments.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby stearwing » Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:57 pm

Like any other thing you define it's a question of definition.
But as concerns the ethics of pornography, really, if it's all drawn and doesn't inspire real-world people to do stupid shit, you should be pretty safe.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Cruich » Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:01 pm

I can't speak for what others create, but what I'm writing is porn, because I intend for it to arouse and titillate my readers. I see no ethical quandary in that. I want my readers to feel good and to bring themselves pleasure with my work, and I aim to help them achieve that with quality writing of my best effort and craftsmanship.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Jamjo » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:46 pm

It's definitely an inherently sexual thing for me, and while i don't disbelieve it, I still have a hard time comprehending how other people into it don't view it sexually lol.

But vore content tends to be better than most porn imo. Not because i prefer the fetish angle, but the emotional content to it is usually just so much more satisfying than most porn. Which is why I don't tend to watch stuff that most people do. I tend to stick to illustrations and stories, because it's too hard to find pornography that has any lasting emotion to it. Not to disrespect the craft of it by any means! Got LOTS of respect for those who make it. I just personally end up feeling hollow with most typical porn.

Might have something to do with the fictional angle, allowing me to get more attached to the characters than when it's just physical performers. Then with vore in particular it just has various other personal emotional/psychological elements to it.

I guess whimsical fetish does sum it up the best for me in the fewest words.


(Also I don't see what ethical concern there is to it. Sure pornographic content can be addictive to some people, but producing it is not remotely the same as cooking meth or another narcotic that literally reprograms people's bodies to make them addicted. People can responsibly enjoy porn and get a lot out of it without causing damage to themselves/lessening their lives.)
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Skittles209 » Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:56 pm

For me it's like a form of catharsis. As far as I know it is not replicable in the same fashion as porn regularly is. It also takes a person of a certain mindset to perform such an action I find as unethical, gross, and overly violent.

For me it probably stems from some form of trauma I don't exactly know about. Like wanting to ave a use, if not a place. Even if the pred is cruel or sadisitc and attempting to make the last moments painful. They would still be digesting me and putting me to use. Which I feel is far better than standing around hoping to be hit by a car or whatever the story starts as. IN cuddlier scenarios, it's just a mobile safe room or something. Or panic room.

What philosophy pr psychology this may be.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby EmilyNidhoggr » Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:40 am

Eating is at the centre of my philosophy of life.
Animals are and have always been digestive tracts with extra parts to help us eat bigger, better, and for longer. Food comes before reproduction, before social instincts, anything. After all, reproduction is just a way of evolving more complex organs and behaviours for ensnaring and digesting meals, and avoiding becoming someone else's meal. Social instincts are just a way of fusing into macro-organisms, like single celled life forms did millions of years ago, so we can eat giant meals like mammoths, rainforests and other families and societies.
I think that bothers a lot of people, because we don't respect our food enough. But if we ask ourselves what everyone can agree is good, what everyone would fight for over family or loyalty or pride, it's food. And people who spiritually feed others with their existence are the people everybody loves.

Naturally, vore has the highest mythological significance to me. To the extent gods and souls are real (the extent to which they control human behaviour), what they want more than any other goal is to digest one another. So any myth that shies away from vore is walking on shallow ground, in my opinion.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby GoTee1 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:26 am

Broadly I think it can be deeply sexual, horrifying and gruesome, totally whimsical and harmless, or any combination there of. It's applicable in realistic scenarios as the simple primal terror of being eaten alive, or sillier ones where it's too ridiculous to be upsetting.
In a simpler and more specific sense I look at it as the ultimate form of gluttony. Above all else I think my fetishes all branch out from gkuttony, and there's nothing paints a picture of eating in excess quite like devouring another person whole. Well, perhaps moving onto buildings and planets, but that becomes its own thing after a certain point.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby wynonna » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:42 am

Hmm,,, I'm seeing an underlying theme emerging, "Emotion" something that is seldom present in raw porn. Vore almost always seems to have a reason. Be that reason food, or sometimes fun, or yes even sometimes for toutrure. Usually when I do my Admiral Goodgut stories her vore is most often to defeat an adversary, well with a couple exceptions, but there is always a noble cause at least. Ok, well, there was the Tribble thing, but still...
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby stearwing » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:18 pm

wynonna wrote:Hmm,,, I'm seeing an underlying theme emerging, "Emotion" something that is seldom present in raw porn. Vore almost always seems to have a reason. Be that reason food, or sometimes fun, or yes even sometimes for toutrure. Usually when I do my Admiral Goodgut stories her vore is most often to defeat an adversary, well with a couple exceptions, but there is always a noble cause at least. Ok, well, there was the Tribble thing, but still...

Food isn't terribly emotional a motive. At least my dragon eats for convenience, that's pure logic.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby LucifersChef » Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:09 am

It seems a lot of this question arises out of a view, whether intentional or not, that pornography is a bad thing.

I think its worth taking a look at all the social conditions that have built up shame about pornography. Humans have been making porn as long as they've been drawing pictures. Attempts to deny it, to make it dirty, have usually been tied to attempts to oppress the downtrodden. Queer people, women, people of colour have often been the focus of efforts to ban things viewed as 'indecent'. Its hard to shake off a life time of conditioning telling us 'porn is bad, sex is bad, nudity is bad, these desires are bad' but its necessary.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby wynonna » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:31 pm

stearwing wrote:Food isn't terribly emotional a motive. At least my dragon eats for convenience, that's pure logic.

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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby AeriaGloris » Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:04 pm

Do violent video games or movies make a consumer violent? As has been proven in multiple studies, no. Contrast this point with the negative psychological effects of repressing ones desires and you have a pro-Vore argument.

Ultimately, it's fantasy. While I have no doubt that there are a minority, in an already small group, that may act on the fetish if given a chance, the majority are happy with the fantasy. No actual harm ever occurs.

As Jonathan Haidt studied, at great length, prior to writing The Righteous Mind people associate things that make them feel disgusted with bad. I highly recommend you read the book. Here are two examples from the book of disgusting acts that aren't morally incorrect. Ie. No one gets harmed.

A)
A brother and sister like to kiss each other on the mouth. When nobody is around, they find a secret hiding place and kiss each other on the mouth. They both agree only to kiss.

B)
A man goes to the supermarket once a week and buys a dead chicken. But before cooking the chicken, he has sexual intercourse with it. Then he thoroughly cooks it and eats it.

A - Incest is bad. So example A is bad. But why is incest bad? Because of birth defects arising from reproducing with a relative. But because no intercourse occurs, it's not actually bad. We just associate it with something wrong out of disgust.

B - Its gross. But if the chicken is cooked, then it's still sanitary. He's not feeding anyone else. It's for his own private enjoyment. It's not morally incorrect.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby stearwing » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:46 am

wynonna wrote:
stearwing wrote:Food isn't terribly emotional a motive. At least my dragon eats for convenience, that's pure logic.

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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby wynonna » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:10 pm

stearwing wrote:
wynonna wrote:
stearwing wrote:Food isn't terribly emotional a motive. At least my dragon eats for convenience, that's pure logic.

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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby stearwing » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:22 pm

wynonna wrote:Added to the list in a good way

I don't have to get that, do I.
But all right, I accept that it's meant as good.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby jabman05 » Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:54 pm

How I personally view it well first it's art as it takes skill to write stories, make videos or draw comics, but my interest is sexual the idea of vote and unbirth sexually arouses (I still aroused by normal stuff too) me I'm fact so does beautiful woman eating and woman's mouths. My brain made a connection between sex and eating or litrally going inside a sexual partner. Vore and unbirth is an extension of sex I guess.

Just a warning here what follows some will find upsetting I'll remove it if asked but it's relivent to the question too.

The reason my brain made this connection is I guess how my is a I guess a defence mechanism so I could recover from the trauma of being sexually asualted as a child (raped) by someone I trusted.

I started puberty very early and was having erections from being touched by anyone knowing this female who did that said we was going to play a fun new game and she pushed me down then said I'm going to eat you up and mounted me I was 7 I didn't know what the heck was going on but obviously it made a the connection between eating and sex.

So on top of everything else I guess it's a defence mechanism against trauma.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Dindu » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:53 pm

AeriaGloris wrote:Do violent video games or movies make a consumer violent? As has been proven in multiple studies, no. Contrast this point with the negative psychological effects of repressing ones desires and you have a pro-Vore argument.

Ultimately, it's fantasy. While I have no doubt that there are a minority, in an already small group, that may act on the fetish if given a chance, the majority are happy with the fantasy. No actual harm ever occurs.

As Jonathan Haidt studied, at great length, prior to writing The Righteous Mind people associate things that make them feel disgusted with bad. I highly recommend you read the book. Here are two examples from the book of disgusting acts that aren't morally incorrect. Ie. No one gets harmed.

A)
A brother and sister like to kiss each other on the mouth. When nobody is around, they find a secret hiding place and kiss each other on the mouth. They both agree only to kiss.

B)
A man goes to the supermarket once a week and buys a dead chicken. But before cooking the chicken, he has sexual intercourse with it. Then he thoroughly cooks it and eats it.

A - Incest is bad. So example A is bad. But why is incest bad? Because of birth defects arising from reproducing with a relative. But because no intercourse occurs, it's not actually bad. We just associate it with something wrong out of disgust.

B - Its gross. But if the chicken is cooked, then it's still sanitary. He's not feeding anyone else. It's for his own private enjoyment. It's not morally incorrect.


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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Dindu » Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:03 pm

Almost religiously. One day the Goddess will devour us all. All of existence is her food. The most beautiful act anyone can do is to realize that filling her belly is the best thing a creature can achieve. Being passed through her bowels is our horrifying privilege and her gift to us.

A beautiful woman is an avatar of the Goddess and feeding her and rubbing her belly is probably the closest anyone will ever get to seeing the Goddess unveiled before he dies.
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Re: How you see vore (phisophically)

Postby Ediblestranger » Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:36 pm

To me, it is a sexual thing. I think to almost everyone on this website it's sexual as well.

Outside of the occasional cartoon including something like vore, such as a lion in an old cartoon swallowing someone whole and then having it's belly swell out with the occasional punch or kick of someone inside followed by the lion belching, it's safe to assume vore is almost purely a sexual fetish.

In terms of the morality involved in content creation for the vore community or involving vore in general, that lands entirely on each person. To some there's no problem whatsoever as they aren't really doing anything wrong, potentially even being seen as a good thing as they are creating something that someone else may enjoy. To others creating pornographic material isn't a moral issue, but producing fetish content in general may be too much of an issue for them even moreso with something like vore where one person/entity is gaining pleasure for the potential death/annihilation of another. Obviously there is "safe" vore which would add another layer of what could be considered less morally grey or unacceptable.

My viewpoint on whether or not the creation, proliferation and consumption of vore material in a pornographic sense is moral or not or problematic or not boils down to a few simple questions.

1. Is the content real life that harms people or animals? If yes, stop. Please. Get some help. If no, there's no problem.
2. Is the content targeted harassment, such as having someone violently consumed, humiliated and killed without their consent with the intent of causing upset and unrest? If yes, stop that's bad and potentially illegal. If no, no problem.
3. Does the content involve certain real life matters such as; politics, real world religions, specific groups of people, etc.? If yes, don't, many people look for this kind of content to unwind be it sexually or otherwise and bringing in real world events can cause problems. If no again, no problem.

Obviously there are other things to consider, but for the most part these are my main rules right now. Don't be a dick with your stuff, and don't do anything that'd actually cause harm to people IRL and you're pretty much safe on all fronts in my mind.

For others, it can be much more complicated depending on the culture they come from, how religious they are, their ethnic heritage, etc. If the person you talked to is too concerned with being labeled a pornographer it might be something for them to really sit and think about. If they continue to make vore content and continue to be associated with it of course they will be labeled as a pornographer and if that truly bothers them it may be, unfortunately, time to take a step back and move onto other works. That said I see nothing ethically wrong with producing porn of any kind so long as no one is harmed by it. You could do worse than being a pornographer.

I guess the take away from this drawn out post is; Vore is what both the creator and the consumer want it to be, some works are openly and blatantly sexual while others are risqué and some still are completely benign but each individual can find a differing amount of sexual pleasure from even the most sfw content. The artist you spoke with should also just do what they want and maybe take a short break to consider their options moving forward.
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