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Writing things you think a budding vore writer should avoid

Postby TestAccountPleaseIgnore » Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:36 am

First off - first post here! Whee!

Second off - not sure if this is the right forum to put this on, specifically; my next best bet would have been https://aryion.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=65, so, if need be, I'll delete this and put it there instead.

Third off - this is not a post for people to go "me no like this fetish hurr durr" - let me get that out of the way right off the bat. No complaining about what other people like, please.

With all of that baggage checked at the door, here's the question: what are some things that are specifically relevant to vore writing that you think a beginning writer would want to avoid for the sake of better writing - tropes, grammar, etc. - you name it? I mean, sure, I know everyone makes mistakes, but I'd rather learn ahead of time rather than after the fact, and tapping the forums seems like the best way to do that - it's much easier to hear people's opinions than to try to divine them from the comments sections of work on here.
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Postby Ghrelin » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:04 pm

Anything vore-specific is a matter of taste (pun intended). A lot of people will say things like "Don't use 'vore' as a verb", "Avoid overused tropes", and "Don't go too long without including or alluding to vore", which are OK to follow, but ultimately are all just preferences that will vary from reader to reader. The best advice for vore writing is gonna be the same as for writing in general. Write what you enjoy and someone out there will probably appreciate it. Things like grammar, spelling, pacing, and appropriate use of detail are foundations that apply to all stories. How you like to see vore written or depicted is going to be unique to you, as it is for your potential readers. Basically, any "things to avoid" that aren't just universal writing tips (and even those can be ignored if you please!) are gonna boil down to someone saying "Don't do things I don't personally enjoy", which isn't very helpful for you as a writer.

What you want to avoid will depend on what you're trying to achieve. Do you just want mass appeal and don't care what or how you have to write to generate the most views? Do you want to specialize in a certain subgenre, setting, or trope? Do you want your vore scenes to be as realistic as possible in one or more areas? Are you looking to make short stories, novels, poems? Generalized "vore writing advice" won't get you much further than people listing their own preferences, but if there's a more specific idea of what/how you want to write, describe what you'd like to do and you will probably get more fine-tuned answers. What kind of vore writer do you want to be?
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Postby AeriaGloris » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:43 pm

There are no right and wrong answers here. However, I'd certainly encourage you to use correct grammar and punctuation.

There are a large range of writers and readers on this website. Given that we're writing smut/lewd content, some traditional writing faux pas can be glossed over. Want to describe a character in great detail without progressing plot? Go for it. Want to describe a character's breasts without a thesaurus of descriptors? State she's a 34C. Your writing can be as sloppy or as tight as you wish.

As for plot, some readers care about the characters, their personalities, and their motivations. Other readers want to see how many vacant, big-breasted prey can fit into a Lamia.

Just start writing if your goal is to improve. Look at my first piece and my latest piece. Vastly different in just 5 months.
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Postby Tassie » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm

I know I'm not a very good writer, but I know a few things which can help.

First and foremost, spellcheck and proofread everything, and if you possibly can, get a friend whom is reasonably literate to check and proof your writing as well. Grammar and wording problems can kill a story faster than almost anything else.
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Also, Ariel is right: look for ways to improve and never stop growing. Getting useful, constructive criticism, even if it does maybe hurt, it will help you to see problems in your writing and learn to fix or avoid them.
(Good example of some critique I received)
Your sentences are much too long. You should break different thoughts into their own sentences to keep them from being cluttered and confusing. Avoid mixing tenses. Make viewpoint shifts more obvious. Say who is talking.

I developed a bad habit of falling in love with my characters, I guess, and by the end of the story, I felt horrible to have them get eaten, so maybe keep a little emotional distance from your subjects? I don't know. Maybe this last part is just me. Sorry.
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Re: Writing things you think a budding vore writer should av

Postby RedNastyFoxy » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:14 am

Folks, this is a fetish site, not an English college class. People mostly come here to cum, not enjoy sophisticated literature with a monocle on their eye. Grammar, tropes etc don't matter as much as you may think, to a certain degree, of course, but most native speakers already have reasonable language knowledge and writing skills. The main things that matter are the plot, the characters, how they behave, what motivation they have, the overall idea and the details you put in describing sexual and vorish scenes. Don't overthink it, just write, the understanding of what works for you will come later in process.
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Postby Abyssal » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:36 pm

Listening to people telling them how they can and can't write, mostly.
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Postby the_Wolf » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:05 pm

Folks have posted some good things. A few things off the top of my head upon seeing this thread

* The impulse to post immediately. Seriously, give yourself some time to edit, that is a big difference between seasoned writing and beginning writing. Sleeping on your story/item after it's "complete" then taking the time to do edits and proofreading and polish it up. It's exciting when you feel like you've finished the story and want to share it with the world, but a large portion of good writing is taking time to fix the blunders we all make during composition.

* Comparing yourself too harshly to people that have been doing this longer. Seriously, don't spend time doing that. People that have more XP in any skill are going to be doing that particular thing better than you are right now. Read their work, learn from it, help develop your own style from it, but avoid falling into the "I suck!" pit when someone else seems more advanced than you. Keep up on your own creative journey, keep improving from the writer you were a month ago, and that'll be a good thing.

*Over-repetition. This is a trap I have to watch for all the time. In this fetish, we are going to repeat things like "belly", "gulp", and so on. Avoid using the same word all the time as it can become a droning thing in the reader's head. Expand vocabulary and options, practice with alternate words, find that balance between words that sound too much like a medical textbook and words that sound like a picture book. It takes plenty of practice, and definitely use thesauri, dictionaries, and any other tools at your disposal.
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Re: Writing things you think a budding vore writer should av

Postby Matteo42 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:44 pm

First of all, this is basically just me telling you how it works in my head, so maybe you can figure something out of it and come up with your way of going about writing stuff. Take from it what you want, that's up to you.

1) Fyi, I write short stories, and I always start off with one image. Something I think about, doesn't even have to be vore-related. This idea can be anything, a starting point, a meeting between two characters, a specific vore situation. Essentially, I take this image and try to twist and turn everything surrounding it, in the hopes of getting a coherent story.

2) Another thing I really enjoy doing (or at least trying) is to come up with original scenarios. I KNOW the classic babysitter-eats-kids is great, and everybody loves them, but... try to be a little more diverse with it, yknow? Call them tropes, call them unoriginal, call them what you want, we all know what they are, and... a surprising amount of people still make them xD

3) Be careful with non-OCs. I've done this before, and am not all too proud of it. Is it logical from this person to act this way towards this other one? Are the feelings I'm making for this person actually in the series/movie/comic? Can the readers follow along with this, if they never heard of this particular story before? AM I SPOILING THE ENDING?????
Say you're writing Harry Potter stuff, and you really want... I don't know, Hermione to be in complete love with Drago Malefoy, to the point of eating him to keep him safe. That... does not fit with the base story, and will really throw people off. (Of course, write it if you want, that's perfectly fine, but fans of the series will probably not enjoy it.)

4) Always, full capitals, bold, underlined, max font sized, ALWAYS double check your story the day after it's finished. Someone else talked about this before, and I fully support that. Have someone read it to get some opinions on some of the fine work you didn't realize sounds like garbage, get them to find the smallest nitpicks possible, or the big "bruh that plot twist was disappointing" you're waiting for: THAT is what will make you evolve and learn from your mistakes.

5) Write and/or think about it on the bus (if you take the bus). A friend told some other friend to try drawing people on the bus. Nothing sexual or the like; you'll get stares if you do, just portraits and body proportions. Ever since that moment, I've not been drawing, but writing stuff, keeping notes of the thoughts that fly through my mind, putting words in front of the images I visualize. Doesn't even have to be the story you're working on; just getting a grip on what your go-to words are in every context or description is vital, so you can avoid using them over and over.

So yeah, that's it for me :D

are these even proper tips?..
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Postby LucifersChef » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:58 pm

I've been writing erotica for 6 years, and have a degree in writing. So I feel like I might be able to answer this.

I recommend anyone interested in the basics of erotica writing read this essay by Felix Lance Falkon. M/M erotica ahead, but all used to give examples on writing it. Felix was the pseudonym of a very accomplished sci-fi editor and friend of Isaac Asimov's, who dabbled in gay & vore erotica.

I will add to Felix's essay some basic advice

(1) Erotica can be great. Don't think otherwise or try to dismiss it as 'just erotica'. There is a lot of cultural stigma against praising erotica (but when its bad people are happy to make fun of it). You are allowed to take pride in your writing and treat it as a serious craft - and enjoy writing it.

(2) Be willing to take feedback, but also accept that what people want is not always to going to match what you want to write. You're allowed to say "Thank you for your feedback but I disagree". Ignore all the people who comment "It would've been better if [insert my hyper specific kink]". They don't get a say.

(3) If you are feeling bad about your writing, check out the winners of the Bad Sex in Fiction award for a good laugh and so you can feel better than best selling authors who don't know how sex works.

(4) Make sure your work has paragraph breaks. This is the number one mistake I see new people make. Walls of text are extremely hard to read. In your writing editor of choice, you may need to select "add paragraph break" before saving and uploading to Ekas. Word usually adds them by default. Google Docs does not.

5) Not really writing specific but - please tag your work. Eka's has a fairly good tagging system. People want to read your work, so make it easier for them to find it.
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Postby Assimilation » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:50 pm

My main tip, with a targeted angle towards presenting vore writing to this website: submit and let your ego take the hit. Every single piece of writing, in the history of all writing, has the scope to be edited into a finer work, full stop. Critique is given by people who care enough about your work to offer their help, so while it can be regrettable when unsolicited and it's valid to not want to read it shortly after every submission you post, try your best to remember their intentions are unlikely to be an attack and that writing something that satisfies most of your audience is very, very hard.
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Postby NightRoller » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:56 am

1. All of the above is good, solid advice (highlighting what the_Wolf and Matteo42 said especially), and

2. Try lots of different kinds of things. What kind of stories do you want to write? Realistically, you can only know when you've tried. I've found that the stories I want to tell have some non-overlap with the stories I want to read, and it was because of experimentation that 1. writing skill improved and 2. my favorite writing topics were uncovered, and my dislikes also appeared (for instance, I found I don't enjoy writing Unbirth or Giantess stuff).

3. Avoid not reading others' works. Read a lot. See what kinds of stories you like, analyze (not too deeply >u<) why you enjoy them, and try emulating it. (That very same idea led me to writing the hornypost of "Eaten in the Everglades", my most popular work (and one of my personal favorites).)

4. Don't be lazy. Goes in line with not posting right away, but if you're too lazy to read through what you wrote, your readers won't be happy to be doing the grunt work of interpreting your (unintentional) grammar mistakes into something understandable (ironically, I'm guilty of this on the Neko Surprise story just released, forgot to check it... but I can maybe get a pass because I'm too perfectionist with spelling as I'm writing the first draft anyway. My sincere apologies to all my readers, regardless).
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Postby Brpdchainsaw » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:02 pm

One of the most important things I've found is to simply write every day, it doesn't have to be a lot but it will all add up over time and eventually lead to your finished story.
For the text adventures I write, I try to do at least one page a day, sometimes I'm in the mood to write more.
If I let myself not write when I simply didn't feel like it then I'd probably never get anywhere, sometimes I don't feel like writing until I start and then I can't bring myself to stop!

Good grammar is an absolute necessity as it shows the amount of care and effort that went into your work, it doesn't have to perfect of course, we're talking about writing porn for the internet here, but there shouldn't be anything glaringly wrong that will distract the reader (one text adventure I read repeatedly misspelled swallow as sallow).
Cracking open a dictionary or a thesaurus every now and then is a good idea as it can teach you new words or phrases to help create some variety in your sentences, just don't go overboard or it can make everything sounds stilted and awkward.

Finally, you have to enjoy what you're writing. There's no point writing say, a cock vore scene, if cock vore isn't your thing. It might be tempting to try and put one in for the cock vore fans out there but if you don't have fun writing the scene then it probably won't be any good. It's fine to branch out and try new things but don't force yourself to write things you don't like.
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Postby fixated1 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:05 pm

People have covered some good writing advice. I'll take it more from a promise/delivery approach. Whether you want to write simple smut or a good story, tell your growing audience what you are going to do and then give them that. If you promise people hot smutty action and give them chapters and chapters of characters sitting around talking about trade treaties people will hate it. If you promise deep characters and complex plots before delivering porno level writing people will hate it. Lay out a plan so people know what to expect from you.
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Re: Writing things you think a budding vore writer should av

Postby NightRoller » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:52 am

If there's one thing that I love about these sorts of topics (beyond helping new writers), it's that there's always at least a couple points of advice that are new to me which I can learn and start applying!

So a meta-recommendation I'd give is to chime in on topics like these whenever they come up and read what others suggest
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