Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

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Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby FishnorFowl » Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:27 pm

Or is it only called snuff if the drawing or whatever is something that could plausibly be recorded in a hypothetical irl snuff film?
Or does any fetish where someone dies count as snuff regardless of how realistic or unrealistic it is?
Also no fucking morality debates as long as it stays a fantasy it’s not immoral I just want to know how it’s defined
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Hereforvore » Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:44 pm

I would say yes, anything where there is death is snuff- by definition.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby MyHeartInAcid » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:16 pm

Most commonly I’ve seen fatal vore defined as snuff when the death itself is either more graphic or occurs before the actual eating.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Briarheart » Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:48 pm

MyHeartInAcid wrote:Most commonly I’ve seen fatal vore defined as snuff when the death itself is either more graphic or occurs before the actual eating.


Yeah basically this. If they die as a result of being eaten or cooked, its usually not called snuff, just fatal vore. Snuff would be something like beheading someone, then cooking them.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Ixtili » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:22 pm

I always thought it had to be real to be considered snuff because I remember when I was a kid they'd talk about "snuff films" where people died and I must've said something like "That's just the entire horror genre" and they said "No like actual death."

But if we're throwing out the "real death" bit I don't see why any kind of fatal vore would not count. But I also think most people who use the tag are using it to indicate a death type other than vore or cooking. Basically in my definition nothing on this site would count cause none of it is real. But in acknowledging that language likes to drift and snuff is as good a short hand for "death not related to vore or cooking" I guess it works. So I mean arguably none of it would count or all of it would. But that's not nearly as convienient from a tagging and communication standpoint.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby stankoman223 » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:14 am

Definition-wise, yes, snuff is pretty much an apt term for fatal vore, as it's somone dying for a kink situation. But personally, I find it to be more of an applicable term when the fact that the prey is dying is the FOCUS of the media's attraction, rather than just a part of it. Like, specifically drawing attention to death in the dialogue ("Fucking DIE in my gut, you worthless meat~", etc.). Because there, with the focus of the art being the death of the character, the concept of snuff is then the attraction, and the term more directly applicable.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby TheKawaiiCommie » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:23 am

It's fantasy murder. Fun, hot, tantilizing fantasy murder.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby cownugget » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:53 am

I would definitely say NO.

I know some would argue, but I feel there is a huge distinction between the two, and we should not smudge the line.

VORE= The specific interest in devouring, or being devored, in an unrealistic way. Vore is physically impossible for humans to perform on each other.

FATAL VORE= The fantasy of vore having a "permanent" result. I say "permanent," because many fatal vore fans often re-use the same characters in fatal vore scenes, essentially experiencing as many "bad end" scenarios as they wish; thus not really being permanent. Fatal vore fans often enjoy the fatal aspect because prey and pred types like the excitement, and enjoy the end result where the prey becomes part of the pred.

SNUFF= The interest in seeing things dying/getting killed. Whether there is consumption of any kind does not really matter, as long as there is death. Moreover, snuff CAN be performed in real life by humans, which is why most snuff material is frowned upon.

Vore people simply like the idea of predation, usually in an unrealistic way. The focus is the eating. While some snuff fans may include vore material within their interests, the same CANNOT be said about vore fans' opinions on snuff-- most of them would detest snuff. To categorize fatal vore fans as snuff fans would not only be absolutely wrong... it would be insulting and offensive.


I, personally, will vehemently REJECT anyone attempting to classify myself, and other vore artists, as "snuff content creators." Any of you who wish to say otherwise can kindly fuck right off, and go back to whatever troll farm where you were first planted. If you classify fatal vore as "snuff," then you might as well classify any movie/video game with death-- even Disney movies where the villain dies at the end-- as snuff material. Really, it is nonsense, and it would just give all vore fans a bad name over time, as the online goons seek out their social media crucifixion victims.

Not much more I can say on the matter. Would probably be best to drop this whole thread before more arguments break out...
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Ixtili » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:54 am

cownugget wrote:I would definitely say NO.

I know some would argue, but I feel there is a huge distinction between the two, and we should not smudge the line.

VORE= The specific interest in devouring, or being devored, in an unrealistic way. Vore is physically impossible for humans to perform on each other.

FATAL VORE= The fantasy of vore having a "permanent" result. I say "permanent," because many fatal vore fans often re-use the same characters in fatal vore scenes, essentially experiencing as many "bad end" scenarios as they wish; thus not really being permanent. Fatal vore fans often enjoy the fatal aspect because prey and pred types like the excitement, and enjoy the end result where the prey becomes part of the pred.

SNUFF= The interest in seeing things dying/getting killed. Whether there is consumption of any kind does not really matter, as long as there is death. Moreover, snuff CAN be performed in real life by humans, which is why most snuff material is frowned upon.

Vore people simply like the idea of predation, usually in an unrealistic way. The focus is the eating. While some snuff fans may include vore material within their interests, the same CANNOT be said about vore fans' opinions on snuff-- most of them would detest snuff. To categorize fatal vore fans as snuff fans would not only be absolutely wrong... it would be insulting and offensive.


I, personally, will vehemently REJECT anyone attempting to classify myself, and other vore artists, as "snuff content creators." Any of you who wish to say otherwise can kindly fuck right off, and go back to whatever troll farm where you were first planted. If you classify fatal vore as "snuff," then you might as well classify any movie/video game with death-- even Disney movies where the villain dies at the end-- as snuff material. Really, it is nonsense, and it would just give all vore fans a bad name over time, as the online goons seek out their social media crucifixion victims.

Not much more I can say on the matter. Would probably be best to drop this whole thread before more arguments break out...


Honestly this is probably the pot calling the kettle black given some of the rants I tend to go into on this very website but...I don't think it's quite that deep. I genuinely think most people using the tag are just trying to find an easy descriptor for non-vore related death that happens in their stories.

I don't actually think their trying to play the long game and save a seat at the voreophile table for actual real life murderers or people who get off to actual real life murder. I think they're just being linguistically lazy.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Flatheaddog » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:03 pm

Hereforvore wrote:I would say yes, anything where there is death is snuff- by definition.


I hate to say it but I think I have to agree with you here.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Ixtili » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:14 am

Flatheaddog wrote:
Hereforvore wrote:I would say yes, anything where there is death is snuff- by definition.


I hate to say it but I think I have to agree with you here.


Like I said...I'm fairly certain the death has to be real to count. If we're talking about the official origins of the word. As it stands someone or something needs to have actually literally died to make the film and it needs to have been done for the sake of titalation. Although does titilation always mean sexual titilation? Because if not I'm like 99.9% certain Milo and Otis is a snuff film given the deaths of all the dogs and cats were done by the director to "evoke emotion". But I digress, if we're just talking about the Eka's tag then I think the tag exists explicitly to differentiate death types that are not vore rather than conflate them.

If we're asking if there's a link between vore and other paraphilia with a sadistic/masochistic and fatal bent? Probably there is some comorbidity sure. Does that mean you get off to real death? That likely depends on if you've sought that content out or not, if your responsible about it, when you see something like "feeding my pet snake a live rat" on YouTube you ignore the fuck out of it or report it if you think it's motivated by snuff rather than education (though I'd leave that to someone who doesn't have a vore fetish to decide personally, because determining that would necessitate viewing it and fuck that). If you have a vore fetish that content should NOT be something you seek out or train your brain to like. That's a good way to train yourself into being a maladjusted little ghoul. I'd also suggest refraining from getting pets that eat live prey just because you have a vore fetish if you're using the pet as a free porn provided I don't think you deserve to have a pet. Snakes might not have the ability to love but that doesn't mean you should treat them like a beleaguered NSFW commission accepting artist.

Basically never try and get off to the real thing and if you can't help getting off to the real thing? Still don't try and get off to it. Just use your imagination it's what it is there for.
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Re: Does soft fatal vore count as Snuff?

Postby Ghrelin » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:27 pm

'Snuff' (when dealing with fictional work) typically refers to a kink specifically revolved around the death/killing of the character. I would say the distinction is in the intention of the piece. For snuff fetish work, killing is the point of interest, regardless of the method. Vore may involve the character dying, but the fact that they are being eaten is still the main focus, which categorizes it as 'fatal vore' and not 'snuff'. But different people may choose to define and use tags in different ways.
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