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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Jihhh » Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:50 pm

ProudMonsterFucker wrote:It's strange. With "normal" smut, Snuff (Fucking someone to death) is considered an outlier and one of the more severe or out-there kinks, but with Vore, the vast majority of stuff I find is Fatal. Maybe because it's less violent compared to Snuff? But at the same time, I find it strange that so many Vore fans prefer Fatal stuff to Non-Fatal. I personally almost only read Non-Fatal stuff, with the rare Fatal story being more about other kinks or with some characters surviving, but I guess I'm just an outlier myself? It genuinely confuses me so much.


Some of this is less people wanting it and more what gets made more by the people who make stuff. Unwilling pred I recall being found by a survey to be fairly under-catered to while with full tour you have people who will say "it is harder to make" (then why not do implied full tour?). There's more people into endo than some of these communities lead on and I think there's people who like nonfatal that get alienated by the more fatal elements to the point of not wanting to interact much. With me I simply like prey being alive and lose interest if they're not kept alive. There isn't some aversion to death conceptually I just don't give a fuck for it in the context of fetish fantasies and don't believe it more hardcore than long term flesh entrapment. If anything it's an easy out.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby FunnelVortex » Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:20 pm

I mean it really isn't that deep, eating something naturally implies it's death.

But for why fatal vore is more "acceptable" than normal snuff, well eating something typically implies more of a purpose for the victim's death than for mere shits and giggles. Circle of life yadda yadda. There is also more to the death aspect of it than just the character dying, there is also the whole primal factor of the pred and prey dynamic and the two characters becoming one (through digestion) in a sense.

I also want to point out fatality is super common in other kinks outside the vore space. Snuff is already a common kink among normies (South Park did a whole episode on "Murder Porn" commenting on it), and in the macro/bondage/peril/quicksand/transformation kinks you see a lot of their own versions of death in one way or another (TF has a whole thing called "identity death" or have the character becoming inanimate and essentially dying). Gore is also a kink in of itself.

Death is no way exclusive to vore kinks. I think the reason death is so common in a sexual context is because death is like the ultimate taboo. Of course none of us are going to kill people in real life for obvious reasons, so we express the dark curiosities via fantasy.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby StrangeHowie » Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:42 pm

Personally speaking, non-fatal vore was a coping strategy for struggling to adapt to this fetish. When I was first discovering this desire I reacted to it very negatively. Didn't stop me from being a horny boi, but the post-nut crisis wasn't the best. To cope, I found myself engaging more with the non-fatal vore side out of fear of being judged by my peers (if I was ever exposed). As time went on, I accepted the fatal stuff and have come to a point where it's honestly my primary preference. If I assume my experience is shared by a significant portion of the community, that would mean that there's a potential positive correlation with age and fatal vore preferences among vorarephiles---the older the vorarephile is, the more likely they'll prefer fatal vore. Since most members of the community are naturally going to be adults (the amount of people >18 is far more than people <18), this explains why there is a greater prescence of fatal vore. This is all hypothetical of course, and shouldn't belittle those who enjoy non-fatal approaches more. In fact, I actually prefer non-fatal under circumstances where the pred and prey actually like eachother/have chemistry. I still wonder if this is the underlying reason why though.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Humbug » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:32 am

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Humbug wrote:Oh yeah, I should clarify that it being "logical" isn't important. There's plenty of suspension of disbelief everywhere. What I was getting at was more that there's more work to do to get to non-fatal from our default experiences, so fewer people are going to take that step. It's kinda the logic to locking up your bike: Even if you have a shitty lock, you've nullified a fair number of would-be bike thieves because it requires just that little bit more extra work than just taking it from the rack. If that makes sense.


Okay, I get that point, but I think to that to a degree this is the result of inertia and the popularity of fatal vore being self-sustaining. After all, it also takes a break from normalcy to see a predator swallow a creature their size whole compared to chewing them, yet hard vore is very niche compared to soft vore, which is so commonplace and "canonized" that most vore fans think nothing of it. It's not extra mental work because through sheer critical mass it's become the new routine, the new rails. For an extreme example, take the coconut effect - horses galloping "feels wrong" if you use their real sound instead of clapping coconuts like films usually do, and films that try to be accurate are met with resistance, so sometimes it's the art that sets what's expected, rather than expectations setting the art.

In my opinion the situation is not that different from when human preds were nearly unheard of in vore, and people went "a human pred would just feel too unnatural compared to a furry one." Eventually human and humanoid preds made their way in, post after post, and acquired a sizable base - though not everybody enjoys them and anthro preds remain a huge chunk of vore (and it's completely fine like that), fans of humanoid preds now have many creators to choose from who benefit from plenty of encouragement and commissions.

Yeah, fair enough! S'a good point.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby WizardLizard » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:55 am

Personally I tend to prefer endo - the main draw for me is the concept of being hidden away or imprisoned inside of someone else, whether knowingly or unknowingly. I rather dislike fatal, because it runs counter to that draw - if you're dead and melted, there's no more of that 'being inside someone' thing.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby chewchulainn » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:21 am

StrangeHowie wrote:Personally speaking, non-fatal vore was a coping strategy for struggling to adapt to this fetish. When I was first discovering this desire I reacted to it very negatively. Didn't stop me from being a horny boi, but the post-nut crisis wasn't the best. To cope, I found myself engaging more with the non-fatal vore side out of fear of being judged by my peers (if I was ever exposed). As time went on, I accepted the fatal stuff and have come to a point where it's honestly my primary preference. If I assume my experience is shared by a significant portion of the community, that would mean that there's a potential positive correlation with age and fatal vore preferences among vorarephiles---the older the vorarephile is, the more likely they'll prefer fatal vore. Since most members of the community are naturally going to be adults (the amount of people >18 is far more than people <18), this explains why there is a greater prescence of fatal vore. This is all hypothetical of course, and shouldn't belittle those who enjoy non-fatal approaches more. In fact, I actually prefer non-fatal under circumstances where the pred and prey actually like eachother/have chemistry. I still wonder if this is the underlying reason why though.


I had a very similar experience! I first got into vore when I was like 14/15, and I remember the guilt I would feel when I started moving away from non-fatal fantasies, to the point that for awhile I 'gave up' the fetish and refused to think about it because I felt too guilty for getting off to something that involved people dying. Now that I'm older and have just been around more kink positive spaces and people for longer, I've come to terms with my fantasies and no longer feel bad about it. I also wonder if age contributes a bit, since in my personal experience, I just gradually would get bored of the same types of scenarios and seek out newer ones, which gradually led me into more fatal scenarios, so I do wonder if there are others who started out purely non-fatal and shifted away from it because it just wasn't doing it for them anymore.

Though I've also noticed that there's a good community of people who like safe/non fatal vore more for the comfort element than the sexual element, so it would make sense if there's just a fundamental difference in what people who like non-fatal and people who like fatal are getting out of these fantasies. For me, I tend to associate digestion with arousal, and the prey being fully digested as the 'climax'- without that element, for me personally, there doesn't feel like a natural climax and it eventually starts to feel unsatisfying.

But I also prefer non-fatal in certain circumstances! I have a tendency to make characters specifically for one off vore scenarios, only to get attached and turn their dynamic into either a safe vore one, or come up with convoluted reasons why the prey can come back after being digested xD
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby IddlerItaler » Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:38 pm

FunnelVortex wrote:Death is no way exclusive to vore kinks. I think the reason death is so common in a sexual context is because death is like the ultimate taboo. Of course none of us are going to kill people in real life for obvious reasons, so we express the dark curiosities via fantasy.


A funny thing is a lot of keyboard warriors who rally against kinks are also proud fans of other series which include copious amounts of death and cruelty which they'll quote enthusiastically. Yeah, death is standard in media and the exclusion of it is rare. I wouldn't say it's a taboo, not compared to other stuff, but it's a way to make any work spicier.

StrangeHowie wrote:As time went on, I accepted the fatal stuff and have come to a point where it's honestly my primary preference. If I assume my experience is shared by a significant portion of the community, that would mean that there's a potential positive correlation with age and fatal vore preferences among vorarephiles---the older the vorarephile is, the more likely they'll prefer fatal vore. Since most members of the community are naturally going to be adults (the amount of people >18 is far more than people <18), this explains why there is a greater prescence of fatal vore. This is all hypothetical of course, and shouldn't belittle those who enjoy non-fatal approaches more. In fact, I actually prefer non-fatal under circumstances where the pred and prey actually like eachother/have chemistry. I still wonder if this is the underlying reason why though.


I think you might be onto something here. It's not necessarily about one taste being more mature than the other, but many people who felt a guilty pleasure over death scenarios could have found a safe haven in vore. Because while death in media is almost a given, fapping over death scenes is not, so entering the vore community where death is often framed as just a collateral of eating can be a way to put some guilt at ease before you're ready to say "I enjoy scenarios where someone dies, full stop".

(Sometimes, to be clear, it's indeed just a collateral, if the viewer is more interested in weight gain or scat for example.)

Personally, I think I've always been happy with either outcome but as time went on the general edgelordism of the internet (stuff like what is parodied here) whittled at my enthusiasm and the relative scarcity of non-fatal left me craving it more. I'm also a contrarian.

chewchulainn wrote:Though I've also noticed that there's a good community of people who like safe/non fatal vore more for the comfort element than the sexual element, so it would make sense if there's just a fundamental difference in what people who like non-fatal and people who like fatal are getting out of these fantasies. For me, I tend to associate digestion with arousal, and the prey being fully digested as the 'climax'- without that element, for me personally, there doesn't feel like a natural climax and it eventually starts to feel unsatisfying.


I find the thrill of getting eaten to be very arousing, though the prey actually dying is more of an optional. The prey getting spared can make for some great aftercare. And while role switching in general is pretty niche, the prey escaping and turning the tables is also very hot for me. I prefer my vore to be horny and sexual so the "gentle hug, no sex stuff" kind of non-fatal doesn't do much for me, and I wish sexual non-fatal were more common.

While I think unwilling prey is more common, some variants of fatal also have a strong comfort element. "Let your worries melt away as we become one..." That kind of thing. Not really my top pick most of the time, but I've seen it get a lot of praise.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Jihhh » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:22 pm

chewchulainn wrote:
StrangeHowie wrote:Personally speaking, non-fatal vore was a coping strategy for struggling to adapt to this fetish. When I was first discovering this desire I reacted to it very negatively. Didn't stop me from being a horny boi, but the post-nut crisis wasn't the best. To cope, I found myself engaging more with the non-fatal vore side out of fear of being judged by my peers (if I was ever exposed). As time went on, I accepted the fatal stuff and have come to a point where it's honestly my primary preference. If I assume my experience is shared by a significant portion of the community, that would mean that there's a potential positive correlation with age and fatal vore preferences among vorarephiles---the older the vorarephile is, the more likely they'll prefer fatal vore. Since most members of the community are naturally going to be adults (the amount of people >18 is far more than people <18), this explains why there is a greater prescence of fatal vore. This is all hypothetical of course, and shouldn't belittle those who enjoy non-fatal approaches more. In fact, I actually prefer non-fatal under circumstances where the pred and prey actually like eachother/have chemistry. I still wonder if this is the underlying reason why though.


I had a very similar experience! I first got into vore when I was like 14/15, and I remember the guilt I would feel when I started moving away from non-fatal fantasies, to the point that for awhile I 'gave up' the fetish and refused to think about it because I felt too guilty for getting off to something that involved people dying. Now that I'm older and have just been around more kink positive spaces and people for longer, I've come to terms with my fantasies and no longer feel bad about it. I also wonder if age contributes a bit, since in my personal experience, I just gradually would get bored of the same types of scenarios and seek out newer ones, which gradually led me into more fatal scenarios, so I do wonder if there are others who started out purely non-fatal and shifted away from it because it just wasn't doing it for them anymore.

Though I've also noticed that there's a good community of people who like safe/non fatal vore more for the comfort element than the sexual element, so it would make sense if there's just a fundamental difference in what people who like non-fatal and people who like fatal are getting out of these fantasies. For me, I tend to associate digestion with arousal, and the prey being fully digested as the 'climax'- without that element, for me personally, there doesn't feel like a natural climax and it eventually starts to feel unsatisfying.

But I also prefer non-fatal in certain circumstances! I have a tendency to make characters specifically for one off vore scenarios, only to get attached and turn their dynamic into either a safe vore one, or come up with convoluted reasons why the prey can come back after being digested xD


There is plenty of arousal motivating nonfatal, comfort is a factor with nonfatal sure but it is still fairly masturbation heavy. The prey is used like a sex toy in a large share of nonfatal vore as is! For reference, my own associations with arousal come from the pressure of the motions of the guts on the prey, clenching around the prey, pushing the prey deeper inside to tighter guts and such. Of which I never mentally connected to the prey getting fatally digested, full toured sure but not killed by the guts. I wonder if part of what's going on is nonfatal gets associated to a lot of people with "no gut activity, just a static stewing". Which I know to not be true but I can see how it spread as a misconception with people who center the climax point on the digestion of the prey rather than the swallow, getting deeply hugged in belly play, from enough sensory overwhelming in the undulating depths or a full tour in general.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby chewchulainn » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:50 pm

That is interesting to know! I think the past couple years I've just been so surrounded by groups that view non fatal/safe vore as Inherently Nonsexual that I've started subconsciously viewing it that way, even if I know it's not the case, so thanks for sharing your experiences with it and reminding me that it's still very much a fetish for plenty of people. Also, I'd like to apologize if my previous post came across as generalizing, and for misinterpreting or mischaracterizing people's interest in non fatal vore. I know I've always found it frustrating when fatal vore fans get characterized as being gross/creepy/insert-negative-thing-here, and I don't want to turn around and do the same sort of generalization to others just because my interests don't align perfectly with theirs.

After reading everyone's posts here, I don't know that there's really a cut and dry 'reason' for why fatal vore is more common. Everyone gets into the fetish through different avenues, and there are so many different types and facets of vore that appeal to people, that I don't know if there's any deeper underlying reason beyond coincidence. Outside of my own personal tastes, my best guess is that 'digestion is a part of eating something, so it comes up in vore a lot', and fatality just being a natural result of that? But even then, vore is a fantasy from the get go, so it doesn't take that much more suspension of disbelief to imagine situations where fatality isn't part of the equation, so. I really don't know, lol. I feel like you'd have to get a thorough survey on what it is that makes people prefer fatal or non fatal over the other and compile those results to get a good idea of if there's any trend in the 'why', but even then I feel like there's still not going to be one concrete answer.

It is always interesting seeing different people's tastes though, and how just because everyone here likes vore doesn't mean that vore appeals to them in the same ways.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby IddlerItaler » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:02 pm

chewchulainn wrote:That is interesting to know! I think the past couple years I've just been so surrounded by groups that view non fatal/safe vore as Inherently Nonsexual that I've started subconsciously viewing it that way, even if I know it's not the case, so thanks for sharing your experiences with it and reminding me that it's still very much a fetish for plenty of people. Also, I'd like to apologize if my previous post came across as generalizing, and for misinterpreting or mischaracterizing people's interest in non fatal vore. I know I've always found it frustrating when fatal vore fans get characterized as being gross/creepy/insert-negative-thing-here, and I don't want to turn around and do the same sort of generalization to others just because my interests don't align perfectly with theirs.


That is completely fair. Vore is an extremely broad fetish (or as some people argue, several fetishes in a trenchcoat) so it's only natural that a single person won't have the full picture. "Gentle cuddly endo" and "Cruel painful fatal" are the opposite extremes which are easiest to remember since trying to list all possible scenarios in between would likely drive a person insane. I don't have the full picture either, but hopefully threads like this will help.

chewchulainn wrote:It is always interesting seeing different people's tastes though, and how just because everyone here likes vore doesn't mean that vore appeals to them in the same ways.


Amen to that.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Trajan » Thu Feb 06, 2025 4:40 am

chewchulainn wrote:That is interesting to know! I think the past couple years I've just been so surrounded by groups that view non fatal/safe vore as Inherently Nonsexual that I've started subconsciously viewing it that way, even if I know it's not the case, so thanks for sharing your experiences with it and reminding me that it's still very much a fetish for plenty of people. Also, I'd like to apologize if my previous post came across as generalizing, and for misinterpreting or mischaracterizing people's interest in non fatal vore. I know I've always found it frustrating when fatal vore fans get characterized as being gross/creepy/insert-negative-thing-here, and I don't want to turn around and do the same sort of generalization to others just because my interests don't align perfectly with theirs.

After reading everyone's posts here, I don't know that there's really a cut and dry 'reason' for why fatal vore is more common. Everyone gets into the fetish through different avenues, and there are so many different types and facets of vore that appeal to people, that I don't know if there's any deeper underlying reason beyond coincidence. Outside of my own personal tastes, my best guess is that 'digestion is a part of eating something, so it comes up in vore a lot', and fatality just being a natural result of that? But even then, vore is a fantasy from the get go, so it doesn't take that much more suspension of disbelief to imagine situations where fatality isn't part of the equation, so. I really don't know, lol. I feel like you'd have to get a thorough survey on what it is that makes people prefer fatal or non fatal over the other and compile those results to get a good idea of if there's any trend in the 'why', but even then I feel like there's still not going to be one concrete answer.

It is always interesting seeing different people's tastes though, and how just because everyone here likes vore doesn't mean that vore appeals to them in the same ways.

Things rarely happen because of just one cause, and are often the result of multiple factors pushing in the same direction. For example, ww1 wasn't just caused by the austrian archduke dying, there was also a bunch of geopolitical background making it so that him dying would start a great power war. I think it's the same kind of stuff here, a bunch of circumstances that led to fatal being the "expected outcome", even if the main one will always be "it's just more logical that way" for me.

Also I agree about liking to hear about other people's tastes. We're a pretty diverse bunch and shouldn't try to think of ourselves as a monolith, with one canon way of making vore and the rest being heretics. Everyone has their tastes, and it's fine that way.

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FunnelVortex wrote:Death is no way exclusive to vore kinks. I think the reason death is so common in a sexual context is because death is like the ultimate taboo. Of course none of us are going to kill people in real life for obvious reasons, so we express the dark curiosities via fantasy.


A funny thing is a lot of keyboard warriors who rally against kinks are also proud fans of other series which include copious amounts of death and cruelty which they'll quote enthusiastically. Yeah, death is standard in media and the exclusion of it is rare. I wouldn't say it's a taboo, not compared to other stuff, but it's a way to make any work spicier.

StrangeHowie wrote:As time went on, I accepted the fatal stuff and have come to a point where it's honestly my primary preference. If I assume my experience is shared by a significant portion of the community, that would mean that there's a potential positive correlation with age and fatal vore preferences among vorarephiles---the older the vorarephile is, the more likely they'll prefer fatal vore. Since most members of the community are naturally going to be adults (the amount of people >18 is far more than people <18), this explains why there is a greater prescence of fatal vore. This is all hypothetical of course, and shouldn't belittle those who enjoy non-fatal approaches more. In fact, I actually prefer non-fatal under circumstances where the pred and prey actually like eachother/have chemistry. I still wonder if this is the underlying reason why though.


I think you might be onto something here. It's not necessarily about one taste being more mature than the other, but many people who felt a guilty pleasure over death scenarios could have found a safe haven in vore. Because while death in media is almost a given, fapping over death scenes is not, so entering the vore community where death is often framed as just a collateral of eating can be a way to put some guilt at ease before you're ready to say "I enjoy scenarios where someone dies, full stop".

(Sometimes, to be clear, it's indeed just a collateral, if the viewer is more interested in weight gain or scat for example.)

Personally, I think I've always been happy with either outcome but as time went on the general edgelordism of the internet (stuff like what is parodied here) whittled at my enthusiasm and the relative scarcity of non-fatal left me craving it more. I'm also a contrarian.

chewchulainn wrote:Though I've also noticed that there's a good community of people who like safe/non fatal vore more for the comfort element than the sexual element, so it would make sense if there's just a fundamental difference in what people who like non-fatal and people who like fatal are getting out of these fantasies. For me, I tend to associate digestion with arousal, and the prey being fully digested as the 'climax'- without that element, for me personally, there doesn't feel like a natural climax and it eventually starts to feel unsatisfying.


I find the thrill of getting eaten to be very arousing, though the prey actually dying is more of an optional. The prey getting spared can make for some great aftercare. And while role switching in general is pretty niche, the prey escaping and turning the tables is also very hot for me. I prefer my vore to be horny and sexual so the "gentle hug, no sex stuff" kind of non-fatal doesn't do much for me, and I wish sexual non-fatal were more common.

While I think unwilling prey is more common, some variants of fatal also have a strong comfort element. "Let your worries melt away as we become one..." That kind of thing. Not really my top pick most of the time, but I've seen it get a lot of praise.

About the keyboard warrior, I think that it's just that people find us to be an acceptable punching ball upon which to lash out their hate while thinking of themselves as morally righteous. The first thing that comes to mind is neo-nazis facist whose centers of interest are hoi4 and 40k, but really you can see this everywhere, people just like to have a target that they can pour their hatred on without restraint and without moral remorse. I think that it's something that you learn to stop doing as you grow more mature. However, I think that sometimes it's just fun to see someone stop trying to be polite and destroy easily things that don't agree with them; it's a power fantasy really, you just have to not take them seriously, and keep in mind that it's all a joke. We're both fan of unbiaised history of rome, so you know what I mean.

About general edgelordism, I think it often comes from people wanting serious stuff, but just applying style without thinking about substance. I think that a characteristic about good art is that it knows what it's doing, and succeed in making what it was supposed to do, be it reflecting upon human nature, denounce societal issues, or just making the viewer happy. I think that greatness can spawn from everywhere, be it an a film d'auteur or a kids cartoon. A lot of edgy-cringe art tend to not have much to say beyond "I am serious, see this world is dark" and so ends up as confuse and laughable because the different elements of the story don't push in one direction. Also sometimes they try too much to be dark that it's funny, because at one point the human mind can't manage to understand all the pain and sufferring (think of that one quote, 1 death = tragedy, 1 million death = statistic), so it just shuts down and laughs. This is also why you still need often need to have happy stuff happenning in a dark story (and inversly, daek stuff happening in more lighthearted works), because the contrast makes it much more powerful and poignant. Also, I think that there is a general problem about amateur authors having a lack of knowledge about the stuff they're writing and whose only cultural background is pop culture, but that's a story for another day.

A good example of edge done right is Berserk. The world of Berserk is horrible to live in, but the moral isn't that you should be an edgy bastard, and there is still good that's worth protecting in the world of Berserk.

(I hope my post isn't too confused, I am busy so I couldn't take much time to organize my thoughts, but this is still interesting stuff so I really wanted to share what I think about it)
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby IddlerItaler » Thu Feb 06, 2025 6:53 am

Trajan wrote:Things rarely happen because of just one cause, and are often the result of multiple factors pushing in the same direction. For example, ww1 wasn't just caused by the austrian archduke dying, there was also a bunch of geopolitical background making it so that him dying would start a great power war. I think it's the same kind of stuff here, a bunch of circumstances that led to fatal being the "expected outcome", even if the main one will always be "it's just more logical that way" for me.


I don't think that's the main cause. It's very easy to go "My preference is just more logical" because at surface value "Food is digested" makes enough sense but when you take a look at vore art there's plenty of evidence that realism or logicality aren't big deciding factors in what becomes popular (and if anything, the more surreal the better). Now, to be fair your writing in the specific is pretty grounded with a focus on internal logic and consequences (for both preys and preds), but like you said lots of other vore relies on cartoon logic and casualness.

So, a setting where people walk up to each other, lick their lips, say "You'll be the perfect breakfast", swallow them whole, and then let them sit in their stomach undigested is very bizarre, but the last step isn't frankly more bizarre than the preceding ones.

Trajan wrote:About general edgelordism, I think it often comes from people wanting serious stuff, but just applying style without thinking about substance. I think that a characteristic about good art is that it knows what it's doing, and succeed in making what it was supposed to do, be it reflecting upon human nature, denounce societal issues, or just making the viewer happy. I think that greatness can spawn from everywhere, be it an a film d'auteur or a kids cartoon. A lot of edgy-cringe art tend to not have much to say beyond "I am serious, see this world is dark" and so ends up as confuse and laughable because the different elements of the story don't push in one direction. Also sometimes they try too much to be dark that it's funny, because at one point the human mind can't manage to understand all the pain and sufferring (think of that one quote, 1 death = tragedy, 1 million death = statistic), so it just shuts down and laughs.


Edge DOES get pretty comical sometimes, yeah. I can imagine a hardcore "consequence purist" seeing BDSM art and going "Huh, why isn't the dom methodically breaking the sub's bones to extract a confession out of them? That's what medieval torture tables are for. The sub was a fool for letting themselves be tied up, and should realistically die."
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Trajan » Thu Feb 06, 2025 8:10 am

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Trajan wrote:Things rarely happen because of just one cause, and are often the result of multiple factors pushing in the same direction. For example, ww1 wasn't just caused by the austrian archduke dying, there was also a bunch of geopolitical background making it so that him dying would start a great power war. I think it's the same kind of stuff here, a bunch of circumstances that led to fatal being the "expected outcome", even if the main one will always be "it's just more logical that way" for me.


I don't think that's the main cause. It's very easy to go "My preference is just more logical" because at surface value "Food is digested" makes enough sense but when you take a look at vore art there's plenty of evidence that realism or logicality aren't big deciding factors in what becomes popular (and if anything, the more surreal the better). Now, to be fair your writing in the specific is pretty grounded with a focus on internal logic and consequences (for both preys and preds), but like you said lots of other vore relies on cartoon logic and casualness.

So, a setting where people walk up to each other, lick their lips, say "You'll be the perfect breakfast", swallow them whole, and then let them sit in their stomach undigested is very bizarre, but the last step isn't frankly more bizarre than the preceding ones.

Fair point. Tbh I'm probably biaised by my own background/tastes about what I consider to be normal. I gues my argument is that it's the path of least resistance, which requires one less step, but tbh that step is also small and easy to take, and it's influenced by other tastes and circumstances.

Trajan wrote:About general edgelordism, I think it often comes from people wanting serious stuff, but just applying style without thinking about substance. I think that a characteristic about good art is that it knows what it's doing, and succeed in making what it was supposed to do, be it reflecting upon human nature, denounce societal issues, or just making the viewer happy. I think that greatness can spawn from everywhere, be it an a film d'auteur or a kids cartoon. A lot of edgy-cringe art tend to not have much to say beyond "I am serious, see this world is dark" and so ends up as confuse and laughable because the different elements of the story don't push in one direction. Also sometimes they try too much to be dark that it's funny, because at one point the human mind can't manage to understand all the pain and sufferring (think of that one quote, 1 death = tragedy, 1 million death = statistic), so it just shuts down and laughs.


Edge DOES get pretty comical sometimes, yeah. I can imagine a hardcore "consequence purist" seeing BDSM art and going "Huh, why isn't the dom methodically breaking the sub's bones to extract a confession out of them? That's what medieval torture tables are for. The sub was a fool for letting themselves be tied up, and should realistically die."

This also goes into dark comedy (I think that's the term), which can be pretty funny if done right. Commically fucked-up situations can be very fun and also bring us to reflect upon things that we wouldn't usually think about.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby IddlerItaler » Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:52 pm

Trajan wrote:Fair point. Tbh I'm probably biaised by my own background/tastes about what I consider to be normal. I gues my argument is that it's the path of least resistance, which requires one less step, but tbh that step is also small and easy to take, and it's influenced by other tastes and circumstances.


Indeed adjusting scenarios isn't hard. I see fatal creators do it all the time, by changing characters' personalities or their powers. ("This witch girl with infinite heals who really loves her friends and wouldn't hurt a fly, and doesn't even need to digest normal food since she feeds on mana? Well now she's a yandere who wants eat and digest her loved ones.")

What's harder is changing from one genre or set of rules to another. I've heard the metaphor of making paths through a wheat field by always stepping on the same wheat stalks - the paths made being like habits. I would say that in vore the dominant genres are "dark lite" (the prey dies and it's not treated like that big a deal) and "full dark" (the prey dies and it's a torturous experience with emphasis on cruelty and tragedy), with plenty of intersection between the two. And while there's also a nod of acknowledgement to cuddly endo, what borders that is often not known, like a tiny island in the middle of an uncharted sea you've heard of once or twice.

So I made a thread a while back about how things could work for preds who don't fatally digest their preys and people came forward with some ideas. Since if you ask yourself "How do fatal scenarios work?" you'll probably think up a few answers effortlessly due to how established fatal is, whereas with non-fatal there's more room to fumble in the dark, trying and testing stuff to see what sticks due to how rarer it is as a genre.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby KyaKali » Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:55 pm

So, I'm a writer of non-fatal endosoma with quite a lot of like, caring pred vibes. When I was taking -all- commissions, I got a lot more when I was willing to write sometimes pretty casual or even harsh digestion scenes than when I put that on my not really my thing I'm going to write about list.

So, even without looking at the tags, there's my anecdotal evidence for that.

Now, I've had some rps where players I am playing pred for want to be sentient fat or be reformed, or feel like truly one with their red, so there's like, a sweetness that comes with that. I just don't like it because when I am playing the dominating character and put the other character in a vulnerable position, I feel more fulfilled by not exploiting that vulnerability and doing objectively harmful things to someone else's body. But, I've interpreted this as my preferences, and though I wonder sometimes about the preferences of others, I feel like I want to make it clear I don't really judge by it as long as it is still feeling very fantasy. I think we all know there's a difference between someone just enjoying a cartoony fantasy and someone ramping up to do something really harmful.

Anyways, I think to some degree there's an intersection between fear and fetish in a lot of brains. In fact, arousal and fear have a lot of the same physiological responses. So, a fantasy about being hunted and casually reduced to food followed through to its conclusion can feel hot because it's scary. I think in more "normal" (I really hate to use that word in this context, but I think it is the best one for meaning) you see this dynamic playing out in bondage (loss of control) or authority figures (think police officer or something) being highly sexualized.

So, I think that might be part of why it is embedded in a fantasy that tends to revolve a lot around domination by its nature.

I just happen to be personally a fan of the really cozy stuff instead because someone being domineering and caring is hot-soothing instead of hot-horror XD

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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Matokiro » Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:20 am

It's strange, but as a voré artist, I very rarely encountered orders for fatal voré. More often it was something mutual. I'm not a fan of dismemberment and cruelty. Maybe that's why I was lucky with clients with non-fatal voré. Although I rarely had to draw a lot of things ^^
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby IddlerItaler » Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:50 pm

KyaKali wrote:So, I'm a writer of non-fatal endosoma with quite a lot of like, caring pred vibes. When I was taking -all- commissions, I got a lot more when I was willing to write sometimes pretty casual or even harsh digestion scenes than when I put that on my not really my thing I'm going to write about list.

So, even without looking at the tags, there's my anecdotal evidence for that.


Same here. I am 50-50 and tend to do pretty much anything, but so far I've only received requests for fatal stories (one requester asked for a longer type of story with multiple scenes and was pretty open-handed so I got to include some failed fatal and endosoma at the start before characters started dying, though). As a silver lining, my most lighthearted series does have one regular commenter who helps keep the flame of motivation alive.

Matokiro wrote:It's strange, but as a voré artist, I very rarely encountered orders for fatal voré. More often it was something mutual. I'm not a fan of dismemberment and cruelty. Maybe that's why I was lucky with clients with non-fatal voré. Although I rarely had to draw a lot of things ^^


What does mutual mean here?
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby EroticFlames » Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:07 pm

I personally pref fatal and perma scenarios, but I recognize they’re disturbing elements. Unless you completely dehumanize the prey, or make the pred’s moral compass nearly alien, it is just snuff, fetishizing the idea of someone killing another in a kinky way. Willing prey scenarios require the character to be too dumb to recognize the consequences of their actions, or borderline suicidal. Preds need some way to justify this to themselves, usually finding reasons to belittle or hate the prey. It can be romanticized, but no matter what it carries a lot of heavy themes/ ideas that some don’t really want to address in the bedroom of all spaces, but for others it really gives that punch of realism to make works engaging. Bonus, in my case it appeals to feelings of inferiority, where the desire to be more preyish is to be literally anything of worth to someone even if it means sacrificing myself. I think that could very well be the deepest root of this strange fetish for me lol

Fatal in context of reform, well, it doesn't really matter does it? Whether it’s full tour, endo, reformation, at the end of the day it’s a kink to be shared by both parties. It can take more wholesome vibes, more sadistic vibes, but it’s a far more mutual appeal comparable to activities like snuggling and sex. Reformation is way more versatile, playing into other kinks like weight gain and growth, but is way less realistic feeling, which can make scenarios rub off a kinda goofy/unrealistic.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby IddlerItaler » Sun Feb 09, 2025 8:32 pm

EroticFlames wrote:I personally pref fatal and perma scenarios, but I recognize they’re disturbing elements. Unless you completely dehumanize the prey, or make the pred’s moral compass nearly alien, it is just snuff, fetishizing the idea of someone killing another in a kinky way. Willing prey scenarios require the character to be too dumb to recognize the consequences of their actions, or borderline suicidal. Preds need some way to justify this to themselves, usually finding reasons to belittle or hate the prey. It can be romanticized, but no matter what it carries a lot of heavy themes/ ideas that some don’t really want to address in the bedroom of all spaces, but for others it really gives that punch of realism to make works engaging.


Preds justifying themselves also becomes a whole lot harder when they don't have to kill anyone. A lot of the time fatal vore is explained as something the pred has to do to survive, or there is some sort of peer pressure to perform it - like "I heard Stacey digested four jocks last week, so badass!" or "Hey Rebecca, wanna do this super-trendy sex game? It's worth killing for." (or dying for, from the perspective of a prey in a willing scenario). If not a trendy kink, it's often accepted as a killing method the same way a superhero can get away with lazering an enemy in half.

Death can be upsetting, however survival can also lead to uncomfortable questions. While most non-fatal scenarios work perfectly well even in a setting where the majority of vore ends up fatal, fatal scenarios can open up a can of worms if they acknowledge that non-fatal was a possibility. The idea that vore could be a safe recreational activity akin to BDSM may lead a fatal pred on a path of self-questioning as to why they're choosing to kill (or in the case of a willing prey, to be killed), and the easiest answers are to either scoff at that ("Safe vore? Like that's ever gonna happen") or let the setting shield them from the question by making fatal the only option. "You want to indulge in your fetish? Someone has to die." Is a theme I run into from time to time. Not really realistic, but can certainly be dramatic while also mitigating some guilt one would feel with free will.

EroticFlames wrote:Fatal in context of reform, well, it doesn't really matter does it? Whether it’s full tour, endo, reformation, at the end of the day it’s a kink to be shared by both parties. It can take more wholesome vibes, more sadistic vibes, but it’s a far more mutual appeal comparable to activities like snuggling and sex. Reformation is way more versatile, playing into other kinks like weight gain and growth, but is way less realistic feeling, which can make scenarios rub off a kinda goofy/unrealistic.


For a different light on reformation, I would recommend Ryanshow's World of Vore. The protagonist is very much looked down upon as a prey who exists for the preds' amusement, and is expected to supply his reformers. If he runs out of uses, tough luck, he'll be flowing in a sewer permanently while they hire someone else to do his job. Now, there is an element of seduction and depending on the options the protagonist can be into it, but the preds are as predatory and selfish as it gets.
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Re: Why is Non-Fatal Vore so much less common than Fatal?

Postby Jayezox » Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:24 am

This is one of the reasons I don't like revealing my vore kink. I don't want it confused with fatality, beach ball bellies, etc.
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