chewchulainn wrote:That is interesting to know! I think the past couple years I've just been so surrounded by groups that view non fatal/safe vore as Inherently Nonsexual that I've started subconsciously viewing it that way, even if I know it's not the case, so thanks for sharing your experiences with it and reminding me that it's still very much a fetish for plenty of people. Also, I'd like to apologize if my previous post came across as generalizing, and for misinterpreting or mischaracterizing people's interest in non fatal vore. I know I've always found it frustrating when fatal vore fans get characterized as being gross/creepy/insert-negative-thing-here, and I don't want to turn around and do the same sort of generalization to others just because my interests don't align perfectly with theirs.
After reading everyone's posts here, I don't know that there's really a cut and dry 'reason' for why fatal vore is more common. Everyone gets into the fetish through different avenues, and there are so many different types and facets of vore that appeal to people, that I don't know if there's any deeper underlying reason beyond coincidence. Outside of my own personal tastes, my best guess is that 'digestion is a part of eating something, so it comes up in vore a lot', and fatality just being a natural result of that? But even then, vore is a fantasy from the get go, so it doesn't take that much more suspension of disbelief to imagine situations where fatality isn't part of the equation, so. I really don't know, lol. I feel like you'd have to get a thorough survey on what it is that makes people prefer fatal or non fatal over the other and compile those results to get a good idea of if there's any trend in the 'why', but even then I feel like there's still not going to be one concrete answer.
It is always interesting seeing different people's tastes though, and how just because everyone here likes vore doesn't mean that vore appeals to them in the same ways.
Things rarely happen because of just one cause, and are often the result of multiple factors pushing in the same direction. For example, ww1 wasn't just caused by the austrian archduke dying, there was also a bunch of geopolitical background making it so that him dying would start a great power war. I think it's the same kind of stuff here, a bunch of circumstances that led to fatal being the "expected outcome", even if the main one will always be "it's just more logical that way" for me.
Also I agree about liking to hear about other people's tastes. We're a pretty diverse bunch and shouldn't try to think of ourselves as a monolith, with one canon way of making vore and the rest being heretics. Everyone has their tastes, and it's fine that way.
IddlerItaler wrote:FunnelVortex wrote:Death is no way exclusive to vore kinks. I think the reason death is so common in a sexual context is because death is like the ultimate taboo. Of course none of us are going to kill people in real life for obvious reasons, so we express the dark curiosities via fantasy.
A funny thing is a lot of keyboard warriors who rally against kinks are
also proud fans of other series which include copious amounts of death and cruelty which they'll quote enthusiastically. Yeah, death is standard in media and the exclusion of it is rare. I wouldn't say it's a taboo, not compared to other stuff, but it's a way to make any work spicier.
StrangeHowie wrote:As time went on, I accepted the fatal stuff and have come to a point where it's honestly my primary preference. If I assume my experience is shared by a significant portion of the community, that would mean that there's a potential positive correlation with age and fatal vore preferences among vorarephiles---the older the vorarephile is, the more likely they'll prefer fatal vore. Since most members of the community are naturally going to be adults (the amount of people >18 is far more than people <18), this explains why there is a greater prescence of fatal vore. This is all hypothetical of course, and shouldn't belittle those who enjoy non-fatal approaches more. In fact, I actually prefer non-fatal under circumstances where the pred and prey actually like eachother/have chemistry. I still wonder if this is the underlying reason why though.
I think you might be onto something here. It's not necessarily about one taste being more mature than the other, but many people who felt a guilty pleasure over death scenarios could have found a safe haven in vore. Because while death in media is almost a given, fapping over death scenes is not, so entering the vore community where death is often framed as just a collateral of eating can be a way to put some guilt at ease before you're ready to say "I enjoy scenarios where someone dies, full stop".
(Sometimes, to be clear, it's indeed just a collateral, if the viewer is more interested in weight gain or scat for example.)
Personally, I think I've always been happy with either outcome but as time went on the general edgelordism of the internet (stuff like what is parodied
here) whittled at my enthusiasm and the relative scarcity of non-fatal left me craving it more. I'm also a contrarian.
chewchulainn wrote:Though I've also noticed that there's a good community of people who like safe/non fatal vore more for the comfort element than the sexual element, so it would make sense if there's just a fundamental difference in what people who like non-fatal and people who like fatal are getting out of these fantasies. For me, I tend to associate digestion with arousal, and the prey being fully digested as the 'climax'- without that element, for me personally, there doesn't feel like a natural climax and it eventually starts to feel unsatisfying.
I find the thrill of getting eaten to be very arousing, though the prey actually dying is more of an optional. The prey getting spared can make for some great aftercare. And while role switching in general is pretty niche, the prey escaping and turning the tables is also very hot for me. I prefer my vore to be horny and sexual so the "gentle hug, no sex stuff" kind of non-fatal doesn't do much for me, and I wish sexual non-fatal were more common.
While I think unwilling prey is more common, some variants of fatal also have a strong comfort element. "Let your worries melt away as we become one..." That kind of thing. Not really my top pick most of the time, but I've seen it get a lot of praise.
About the keyboard warrior, I think that it's just that people find us to be an acceptable punching ball upon which to lash out their hate while thinking of themselves as morally righteous. The first thing that comes to mind is neo-nazis facist whose centers of interest are hoi4 and 40k, but really you can see this everywhere, people just like to have a target that they can pour their hatred on without restraint and without moral remorse. I think that it's something that you learn to stop doing as you grow more mature. However, I think that sometimes it's just fun to see someone stop trying to be polite and destroy easily things that don't agree with them; it's a power fantasy really, you just have to not take them seriously, and keep in mind that it's all a joke. We're both fan of unbiaised history of rome, so you know what I mean.
About general edgelordism, I think it often comes from people wanting serious stuff, but just applying style without thinking about substance. I think that a characteristic about good art is that it knows what it's doing, and succeed in making what it was supposed to do, be it reflecting upon human nature, denounce societal issues, or just making the viewer happy. I think that greatness can spawn from everywhere, be it an a film d'auteur or a kids cartoon. A lot of edgy-cringe art tend to not have much to say beyond "I am serious, see this world is dark" and so ends up as confuse and laughable because the different elements of the story don't push in one direction. Also sometimes they try too much to be dark that it's funny, because at one point the human mind can't manage to understand all the pain and sufferring (think of that one quote, 1 death = tragedy, 1 million death = statistic), so it just shuts down and laughs. This is also why you still need often need to have happy stuff happenning in a dark story (and inversly, daek stuff happening in more lighthearted works), because the contrast makes it much more powerful and poignant. Also, I think that there is a general problem about amateur authors having a lack of knowledge about the stuff they're writing and whose only cultural background is pop culture, but that's a story for another day.
A good example of edge done right is Berserk. The world of Berserk is horrible to live in, but the moral isn't that you should be an edgy bastard, and there is still good that's worth protecting in the world of Berserk.
(I hope my post isn't too confused, I am busy so I couldn't take much time to organize my thoughts, but this is still interesting stuff so I really wanted to share what I think about it)
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