Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Cowrie » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:49 pm

Also not a guy, and assuming an encounter between a man and a woman, the woman is always the predator. If you open up possibilities for hermaphrodites or dickgirls, they're on equal footing with women, however.

PrimalPredilxion wrote:Definitely female predators... Sexual cannibalism in nature is ALWAYS when the female devours the male. Evolutionarily speaking, the males get eaten (either voluntarily or not...) so that the female has plenty of nutrients and energy to create healthy offspring. Males eating females just feels weird and wouldn't provide any reproductive advantage anyway, so...

Also, females have the added advantage of being sexy and seductive, more easily luring men to their demise with their siren's song... 8O

Very much this. For me, vore is on some level about nature in the most primal, brutal sense. Even when there's no real nature aspect, thinking about it in that manner is what gets me going. And when M/F occurs, it sets off this alarm in my brain that screams "Unnatural!". And there's another alarm that also gets sets off that, even though I intellectually know many fans of M/F are other women, screams "Misogyny!". And that can lead to me saying some things that are often (though not always) completely uncalled for.

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AMCJavelin wrote:The praying Mantis female I think eats her mate as well. In most animal species its the female that is larger, stronger and calls the shots.

The female is a static gene keeper, the male is a dynamic gene modifier. Therefore, creatures with sexual reproduction better survive than creatures with asexual reproduction.
Because of this, females are larger than males in those species that tend to decrease in size with evolution (insects were much larger).
Those species in which the male is larger than the female, increase in size over time (this refers to mammals, for example horses in the past were the size of a rabbit). :idea:

Well, that's not really accurate. In predatory birds, females are usually MUCH larger than males, and both owls and raptors can be considerably larger than the first birds. Other than ostriches and rheas, females also tend to be larger in ratites. As for insects, the giant insects of prehistory aren't direct ancestors of modern insects, and seeing as I can't find a single mention of the size of Rhyniognatha, the earliest known insect, I doubt its size was exceptional. Females are also larger than males in many species of snake, perhaps most dramatically in green anacondas, with males toping out around 10 feet long and exceptional females reaching at least 17 feet in length, with reports of much larger.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby dragonjerky » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:21 pm

I'm into non-human preds and human prey. Therefore I generally envision worlds with human-eating creatures. That means all humans, regardless of gender, get knocked down a few pegs on the food chain. Having said that, I only like female prey scenarios. It is assumed that males get eaten too, but I never focus on that. Also, gender of pred doesn't really matter to me.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby EvangelineSkypaw » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:16 pm

I rank girls above guys, to be honest. >w>

Not really a fan of M/F stuff; I prefer when females are in charge. ^.^

So, in short, they're at the top (at the same level with herms), and guys are just right below them.

Personally, of course.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby TheDevilKira » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:26 am

At the bottom of course, dominance is more of a guy trait, and in the end that's all it really comes down to.
I think this poem sums my point up best lol ;)

Submission
He owns my body.
He owns my heart.
When he’s displeased,
My whole world falls apart

When he’s satisfied by my efforts,
I’m overwhelmed with joy.
Though often mixed with anxiety,
In case inadvertently annoy.

For him i will change,
To almost anything he requires,
For now my only life goal,
Is to be all that he desires.

I will take almost any pain inflicted.
Hold each predicament position.
As he knows the key to my heart,
Is the key to my submission.

So yes I will take any punishment,
In anyway he sees fit.
For him i won’t fight it.
For him i will SUBMIT.

-Sian Mathers
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby dontwannabefoundout » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:12 am

That is a pretty hot poem, tbh.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby EnderDracolich » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:09 am

TheDevilKira wrote:At the bottom of course, dominance is more of a guy trait, and in the end that's all it really comes down to.


Do you have a source for that? Any sort of scholarly article that says men are more likely to be aroused by sexual domination than women? Or that women are more likely to be aroused by sexual submission than men? Any proof at all, other than a poem? Because it seems to me that you just excluded at least half of the BDSM community; the dominatrices and male submissives. Or were you trying to say "FOR YOU, dominance is more of a guy trait?"

If it's the latter, that's totally fine and just a personal preference. We all have those. It sounds like you were trying to make a generally applicable statement though. Which requires actual empirical evidence and data to back it up, if you don't want to anger the people to whom it doesn't apply.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Cowrie » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:36 pm

EnderDracolich wrote:
TheDevilKira wrote:At the bottom of course, dominance is more of a guy trait, and in the end that's all it really comes down to.


Do you have a source for that? Any sort of scholarly article that says men are more likely to be aroused by sexual domination than women? Or that women are more likely to be aroused by sexual submission than men? Any proof at all, other than a poem? Because it seems to me that you just excluded at least half of the BDSM community; the dominatrices and male submissives. Or were you trying to say "FOR YOU, dominance is more of a guy trait?"

If it's the latter, that's totally fine and just a personal preference. We all have those. It sounds like you were trying to make a generally applicable statement though. Which requires actual empirical evidence and data to back it up, if you don't want to anger the people to whom it doesn't apply.

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Also worth note that predator and dominant aren't necessarily tied together. I can quite enjoy playing a submissive character but If you even treat my character like potential prey, let alone try to eat them, you are about to get mauled and disemboweled nine ways to Sunday. Or some other suitably gory death, if the character in question isn't the sort to inflict that particular punishment.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Nosameerf » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:23 am

I would rank them pretty low. If possible i would swallow them whole myself believe me. But its not. Shame. So ill have live vicariously through a pred a little higher on the dood chain. Like a snake or hippo. Something with a big mouth and large stomach, but not to large i like my prey to be uncomfortably tight as they are digested.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Tastymeat » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:24 am

At the top of the food chain - more girls than guys have threatened to eat me in my life. Just walking down the high street, easy to see more girls have the capability than guys to vore and cannibalise.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Nosameerf » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:39 am

As far as a rank or place on the chain, I was thinking same level as a cute little mouse, however I'm not attracted to mice so giving all my other fetishes into consideration, I would have to rank them slightly above edible panties.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby RuffledFerret » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:30 pm

I suppose I've often considered women to be higher on the food chain in a lot of cases. While their overall role would of course depend upon either the setting or character context of the story/art in which this is exhibited, to me a female character with a full stomach has always drawn allusions to "pregnancy." While pregnancy for me personally is not really a kink, I tend to think of the phrase, "I brought you into this world; I can take you out of it."

Think about it: all living things are born due to pregnancy. The woman is burdened with our form, weighed down by us in the womb and nurturing us by feeding for two. We are born and grow older...only to possibly be devoured. If by a woman, it seems that the circle of life has completed itself. She feeds on us and is once again weighed down by our forms inside of her, yet this time, she is only feeding for one, and we are the meal...

Apologies for the strange tangent. I think it's a pretty neat idea.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby EvangelineSkypaw » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:58 pm

Tastymeat wrote:At the top of the food chain - more girls than guys have threatened to eat me in my life. Just walking down the high street, easy to see more girls have the capability than guys to vore and cannibalise.


I hope you're speaking in character. That isn't something I imagine most people say as a threat in everyday life. >w<
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby coop500 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:05 pm

EvangelineSkypaw wrote:
Tastymeat wrote:At the top of the food chain - more girls than guys have threatened to eat me in my life. Just walking down the high street, easy to see more girls have the capability than guys to vore and cannibalise.


I hope you're speaking in character. That isn't something I imagine most people say as a threat in everyday life. >w<


Truth be told, it was only jokingly said to me once and by a guy IRL so... but people have different experiences so I guess you never know.

(I just wish all the fempred fans here would cool it on the 'female preds are the true/correct preds!' stuff.)
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Cowrie » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:13 pm

coop500 wrote:(I just wish all the fempred fans here would cool it on the 'female preds are the true/correct preds!' stuff.)

I don't have anything against people who like male preds, but hearing my already-oppressed-IRL gender being talked down about puts me on the automatic defensive. As fetishes go, neither is more "natural" nor is either objectively, inherently superior, but as natural interactions in same-species animals go, female pred are more natural.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Miridium » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:34 pm

I suppose it all depends on the situation. There's all this talk in this thread about female predators being more "natural". While it is true that males tend to be more expendable as far as predation is concerned (a male zebra being killed and eaten by lions is less damaging than a female zebra and her foals being killed), among the more social animals, things are a bit different. Especially if they engage in cannibalism.

For example, chimpanzees kill each other all the time. When they wage war against one another, they engage in cannibalism upon slaughtering the enemy group. When this happens, sex of the individual does not matter. As long as the victorious chimp group gets to live a while more, they will pass around and eat the flesh of their own species. If we apply this to humans, then women being killed makes little difference if the group doing the killing is a viable reproducing population.

So vore can honestly go either way in terms of whether or not males or females are on top.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby coop500 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:44 pm

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coop500 wrote:(I just wish all the fempred fans here would cool it on the 'female preds are the true/correct preds!' stuff.)

I don't have anything against people who like male preds, but hearing my already-oppressed-IRL gender being talked down about puts me on the automatic defensive. As fetishes go, neither is more "natural" nor is either objectively, inherently superior, but as natural interactions in same-species animals go, female pred are more natural.


I'm a female IRL too you know, so that doesn't have much to do with this. Hearing my already oppressed vore preference being talked down about puts me on the defensive too, but I would not claim one is more natural/normal/correct then the other, so it goes both ways. Just have some respect for people with different preferences.

Besides, vore is a FANTASY, let people have their fantasy without having to feel inferior to other people enjoying fantasies
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby Cowrie » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:29 pm

Fair enough, I'm not trying to make anyone feel inferior. Like I said, in fetish context, I don't view either one as more natural. I didn't mean to talk down to or insult people who prefer male preds, so I'm sorry. As for you also being female, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that. I know that many women who like vore are into male preds like you, so you're right, real life gender isn't really relevant.

However, in all fairness, F/M fans aren't the only ones who have been claiming one type is more natural than the others. Both sides have been guilty of that in this thread. Perhaps threads like this in general are simply a bad idea, they seem to breed far too much conflict.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby coop500 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:02 pm

Indeed, I appreciate you understanding and being reasonable about this, I really do. But yes, many of us felt the whole long talk about who's more natural was quite unfair/rude, but nonetheless I agree that threads like these are almost just asking to pit F/ and M/ fans into fights, which is never a good idea for anyone.

And yes it has happened both ways, neither ways are correct either, as neither way is truly more natural as it depends on context and again, it's all fantasy anyway so it doesn't matter, bringing it up will just likely cause more hurt then good.

In the end, I would like to remind everyone we are all vore fans, we still have that in common, which is generally greatly frowned upon by the general public. We are better off giving each other the respect we want to recieve, rather then swoop down to the levels of anti vore people onto each other. Treat others how you wish to be treated and be mindful of each other.

(Yes I may have gotten on my soapbox, but after 6 pages it felt needed)
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby TheDragonDrake » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:12 pm

They're typically on the bottom rung, for me. As NekoBound mentioned on the first page of this thread, there is a rather significant oversaturation of female predators around, especially on this site.. In my book, females are the typical prey. I had originally leaned more towards them as both predator and prey, with males being the same way, but time and overexposure has sorta shifted those views.

Now I lean far more towards M/F than anything else, save for M/M. As a straight!gal in real life, and a prey-minded one to boot, it's what seems more natural *to me*. Not to mention, reversing the roles of a run-of-the-mill F/M scenario can end up with some rather fun results.
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Re: Guys: Where Are Girls In The Food Chain?

Postby CrimsonFangX666 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:20 pm

They sit in a middle ground. I can't really think of anything sexier than a hot female devouring her lover alive. But I also can see the attraction behind male prey. Being a male, I can't really think of much, more amazing than tasting a deliciously gorgeous female as she slides down my throat. Of course, I'm a pred, so being eaten doesn't do much for me.
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