Eka's Portal

I think that the latest update might have broken strangers again, unless you completely removed it. I was messing around a bit and don't get any prompts at all for either pred or prey, while the last one worked fine.

DawiKhazzad wrote:I think that the latest update might have broken strangers again, unless you completely removed it. I was messing around a bit and don't get any prompts at all for either pred or prey, while the last one worked fine.

Yeah as usual Stranger is an impossible pain in the ass. It would probably be easier at this point to rip all the text, delete it totally, and manually re-implement it. I'm working on fixing it, among other things. Less time to work on these things now that I have a job again.

Also be warned, I noticed that there's a scat refernece when you select the "too cute to be gurgled up" comment. Prey's reacting like a lover so that should narrow it down.


Also I found out how the revivify works so we're good.

Howeevr I Did notice that Reviving others resets their standing with you. [boo]

Ryan-Drakel wrote:Also be warned, I noticed that there's a scat refernece when you select the "too cute to be gurgled up" comment. Prey's reacting like a lover so that should narrow it down.


Also I found out how the revivify works so we're good.

Howeevr I Did notice that Reviving others resets their standing with you. [boo]

Thanks for noticing, and especially getting a screenshot, that really helps. I'll get it fixed with the next version. With 1300 responses, I was sure I was bound to miss some...

It resets their relationship? Weird... Do you mean with my spell, or vanilla reformation? I can fix my spell if it does that, but you should tell Mark if it's vanilla. I had a theory about it overflowing back to -4 if it was already at 4...

Basically I spawned in a wench using "Immersive Wenches" and changed their relationship to me to be "Lover"

Digested her, vanilla-revived her [via belly] and she acted like she was back to 0.


Huh, that's peculiar. Trying to revive a few girls and I had an Unknown Skull...
... It disappeared instantly on me but reappeared in my pack later.
The other skulls fade out as they are reviving.

Unknown skulls have to be revived using the "Reform Unknown Skull" spell, they don't directly correspond to a particular npc. Once you do so, that npc can be eaten and reformed normally.

Gherking wrote:

DawiKhazzad wrote:I think that the latest update might have broken strangers again, unless you completely removed it. I was messing around a bit and don't get any prompts at all for either pred or prey, while the last one worked fine.

Yeah as usual Stranger is an impossible pain in the ass. It would probably be easier at this point to rip all the text, delete it totally, and manually re-implement it. I'm working on fixing it, among other things. Less time to work on these things now that I have a job again.

having looked at stranger dialogue in ck i would reccomend doing exactly that, its put together like a literal ball of yarn, if you do decide to do so i have a few flowcharts lying around for about half of the personalities if you want them

jellman wrote:

Gherking wrote:

DawiKhazzad wrote:I think that the latest update might have broken strangers again, unless you completely removed it. I was messing around a bit and don't get any prompts at all for either pred or prey, while the last one worked fine.

Yeah as usual Stranger is an impossible pain in the ass. It would probably be easier at this point to rip all the text, delete it totally, and manually re-implement it. I'm working on fixing it, among other things. Less time to work on these things now that I have a job again.

having looked at stranger dialogue in ck i would reccomend doing exactly that, its put together like a literal ball of yarn, if you do decide to do so i have a few flowcharts lying around for about half of the personalities if you want them

Ironically the stranger dialogue format from before it was removed from refactor was easier to navigate at least in SSEEdit, although still a pain in the ass due to improper labeling and bad numerical order (example: tree 12 would be between tree 5 and 4 and the responses in the following trees of options 1 2 and 3 wouldn't be in the same location, they could be between the reponses to tree 9 and tree 10). The primary problem it had back then (at least as far as the 8th of april version) was that regular dialogue tree would overrule the stranger dialogue tree, largely because of no conditional check. The solution I found back then is on page #75 of Devourment Refactor, at the very top. It'd honestly be better to just strip strangers dialogue + innkeepers dialogue and put them into their own esl/esp, at least then it'll be easier to deal with due to having less to navigate through.

Gherking wrote:Unknown skulls have to be revived using the "Reform Unknown Skull" spell, they don't directly correspond to a particular npc. Once you do so, that npc can be eaten and reformed normally.

I.... don't have that spell... oh dear I better find it.
And it works on the "Guard" skulls too right? Given they're doing the same thing?

Ryan-Drakel wrote:I.... don't have that spell... oh dear I better find it.
And it works on the "Guard" skulls too right? Given they're doing the same thing?

Lucan Valerius sells it.
Guard skulls? Like, skulls you got from digesting guards? You must have 'all NPCs' turned on for skull collection. No, those won't work unfortunately. Those ARE pointing at a specific NPC, it's just that guards are 'levelled actors', meaning their race and gender can change if you use scripts to resurrect them. Accordingly, you can't reform them because the results wouldn't make sense. Same thing for bandits and necromancers etc.

jellman wrote:having looked at stranger dialogue in ck i would reccomend doing exactly that, its put together like a literal ball of yarn, if you do decide to do so i have a few flowcharts lying around for about half of the personalities if you want them

Masxohn wrote:It'd honestly be better to just strip strangers dialogue + innkeepers dialogue and put them into their own esl/esp, at least then it'll be easier to deal with due to having less to navigate through.

One of these days... I'm pretty busy with my new job, so progress on both of my mods will probably slow down somewhat, unfortunately.

I noticed that if I try to "reform" more than 3 girls, I end up crashing...


Also I still can't quite revive the guards even though I have their skulls. It just disappears and stays gone for a bit. [but judging by the sloshing, they are being reformed but not officially.... hm.]

Ryan-Drakel wrote:I noticed that if I try to "reform" more than 3 girls, I end up crashing...


Also I still can't quite revive the guards even though I have their skulls. It just disappears and stays gone for a bit. [but judging by the sloshing, they are being reformed but not officially.... hm.]

Hmm, odd. Do you have "All NPCs" checked under "Skull Collecting" in the MCM?
Normally Refactor doesn't give me skulls for guards, and I play with that toggle off. I turned it on just now to check, and it DID give guards skulls... But I was able to reform them from them, too. It even preserved their race/gender, which my original mod of old couldn't do for levelledactors... So props to Mark for yet one more fix of a longstanding bug!

So I guess in short, you should report both of these bugs in the true Refactor thread. Still, a crash is useful; you can read the NetScriptFramework crashlog (Data/NetScriptFramework/Crash) to find out what caused it - that could be valuable information.

Uploaded a tiny fix - I found that the willingness processing wasn't working as it should have been. NPCs were almost never unwilling, and I think truly never willing for just endo. Both of those should be amended.

Does anyone here know of a mod that'll allow me to strip others as they approach?

I Remember in Oldrim there was the "Touch of Dibella" That emitted a wave like a shout that stripped anyone touched by it.

Hey I know you have been more busy lately and I don't want to imply that you should rush but I wanted to know if you have any timeline for when you will add or change dialogue

nopeman777 wrote:Hey I know you have been more busy lately and I don't want to imply that you should rush but I wanted to know if you have any timeline for when you will add or change dialogue

I'll see what I can do this next week, once I fix stranger dialogue again. More likely I'll re-implement it entirely as it's own optional ESL.

Updated AI to change the revivify spell; it now targets a small area, resurrects dead NPCs (whether or not they started the game dead) provided they would be eligible to receive a skull, AND immediately reforms any skulls it hits - be they my random ones or Refactor's specific ones! Thanks to RyanDrakel for accidentally giving me the idea for this feature!

Gherking wrote:Updated AI to change the revivify spell; it now targets a small area, resurrects dead NPCs (whether or not they started the game dead) provided they would be eligible to receive a skull, AND immediately reforms any skulls it hits - be they my random ones or Refactor's specific ones! Thanks to RyanDrakel for accidentally giving me the idea for this feature!

Yay I helped~!

I just did a bit of playing with ReformationDialogue; I really feel like a lot of this dialogue needs condition checks, like checking if your character knows they're the dragonborn, and you're a decent way through the main quest.