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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Aickavon12 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:20 pm

Poojawa wrote:So uh.

Not even going to bother asking permission to use people's characters in your porn game that you're accepting money for?

While I'm flattered that I'm included, I know for a fact several of the characters here do not want to be used for other's monetary gain, let alone without permission.

all instances of 'Kris', 'Zara', 'Poe', 'Nerd', 'Blu', 'Priyas', and likely 'Molly' are all edited without permission.

But let's be honest, probably more as well.

:V

From what I understand, the furry version is made by a fan for free, though yeah, using OC's without permission is not cool, even with free content.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby DawiKhazzad » Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:29 pm

Poojawa wrote:So uh.

Not even going to bother asking permission to use people's characters in your porn game that you're accepting money for?

While I'm flattered that I'm included, I know for a fact several of the characters here do not want to be used for other's monetary gain, let alone without permission.

all instances of 'Kris', 'Zara', 'Poe', 'Nerd', 'Blu', 'Priyas', and likely 'Molly' are all edited without permission.

But let's be honest, probably more as well.

:V


It falls under fair use. You literally cannot do anything about someone using your artwork in something that is free, especially when there is substantive changes made to it as far as what is being done and used for. If the artists (including you) really have a problem with it they can PM the creator, they don't need to post some passive aggressive reply in a public thread. I actually cannot imagine someone being upset that their artwork is being given a second life and more visibility. That doesn't even mention that the furry mod is completely free and not accepting money anyways.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Senwah » Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:41 pm

DawiKhazzad wrote:
Poojawa wrote:So uh.

Not even going to bother asking permission to use people's characters in your porn game that you're accepting money for?

While I'm flattered that I'm included, I know for a fact several of the characters here do not want to be used for other's monetary gain, let alone without permission.

all instances of 'Kris', 'Zara', 'Poe', 'Nerd', 'Blu', 'Priyas', and likely 'Molly' are all edited without permission.

But let's be honest, probably more as well.

:V


It falls under fair use. You literally cannot do anything about someone using your artwork in something that is free, especially when there is substantive changes made to it as far as what is being done and used for. If the artists (including you) really have a problem with it they can PM the creator, they don't need to post some passive aggressive reply in a public thread. I actually cannot imagine someone being upset that their artwork is being given a second life and more visibility. That doesn't even mention that the furry mod is completely free and not accepting money anyways.


My brother in christ please do not try and tell me this isn't trolling LMAO. You are actually gonna sit here and try and justify taking peoples art that they have ownership of, without their permission, changing names of characters, editing their art without permission, sticking it in some random game, and giving absolutely zero credit to anyone is fine? This is not the hill you want to die on dude. This is probably the worst take of "but muh fair use" I've ever seen. By your logic I can literally go grab art from some random person, edit it by 1 pixel and claim it as fair use.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Kavvanshrike » Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:41 pm

unfortunately when you read the rules for photomanipulation on the eka's faq, having the original artist come here and outright say no means it's probably a violation of Eka's site policies.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Eka » Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:45 pm

This is an artist site primary, we don't accept taking assets without permission. This thread will be locked pending other investigations.

Kinda surprised nobody actually reported this until now.

edit: just noticed this gem, has to reply

DawiKhazzad wrote:It falls under fair use. You literally cannot do anything about someone using your artwork in something that is free, especially when there is substantive changes made to it as far as what is being done and used for.

No. You are wrong. It is not fair use. Do not spread misinformation on this site. This site, unlike many other boorus or xxx sites, is NOT a rehosting site. We only allow the original artist or commissioner to upload. We only accept uploads with full permission from all asset owners and we respect their ownership. We will not tolerate this bullshit. Educate yourself.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby ryanshowseason3 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:48 am

First off I am washing my hands of the furry mod and any branches to my work in general from now on. I do not have time to police other people's modifications of my work. I've said so for any code modifications that now extends to mods as well. Please do not ask about the furry mod in this thread again.

We are here because I failed to police a mod that I linked to and thereby inherently supported in some fraction. I will be avoiding this in the future.

Second. I agree with the artists. The furry mod doesn't reach or even come close to any defendable level of fair use. I've been through fair use before. The furry mod does not transform the original artists work, it does not parody it, in cases I assume the work hasn't been changed at all besides removing the background. In my opinion this is not up for debate and I would appreciate it if the subject were dropped in this thread entirely. Take the conversation elsewhere.

I apologize to the artists involved. I create as well and I respect your wishes. I only had a small role in disseminating your work by including the link in my post but my hand was there. I hope you can forgive me. I'm sorry for any harm caused.

Next I appreciate the furry mod creator's efforts and intentions in trying to make my work more accessible but it hasn't been done in a way that is fair or kind to the original artists. I apologize for not looking closer into this modification. It's outside my interests and in most cases is distasteful to them so I've ignored it while appreciating that others have different desires. This was a mistake on my part for not looking closer.

Lastly I'll be remaking the first post without any link to the furry mod. I have destroyed the tracking link I have, however I cannot control the mega uploads of it since they are not mine.

I apologize to anyone whose primary enjoyment of this project was the furry version. Sorry but I cannot restart it in a proper way. I've been clear with donors in the past that I do not control the furry version and cannot guarantee anything about it. Still I understand that some donations may have been made with the hope that the furry mod made by others would eventually see those updates. If any of those donors would like a refund I will handle that through PMs and find the transaction history and refund it through Paypal. In full.

That all being said I'd like to sternly state that I did not accept payment for other's artwork. I took donations to develop MY version of this game, not the furry version and I take offense at the notion that I took money for other's artwork.

I hope we can move past this unfortunate incident.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby Ryan-Drakel » Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:45 pm

.... and thus I question the validity of all the RL-based pics.

Technically all that is considered a massive 'invasion of privacy.'
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby Kavvanshrike » Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:10 pm

Ryan-Drakel wrote:.... and thus I question the validity of all the RL-based pics.

Technically all that is considered a massive 'invasion of privacy.'

ryanshow has been making vorish photomanips from real life photos of women for a long while now, if that were a problem on Eka's then his entire gallery would be deleted ages ago. That stuff mostly obtained from public image galleries mostly to promote adult models, there's more questionanable ownership of those images since nobody really credits the photographers and unless lucy wilde or angela white themselves show up here to say no it's probably fine.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby Absentia » Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:43 pm

This is the one thing i don't like about this site, the walking on eggshells, this went from 0 to 11 over a miner and easily fixable error, and before the error was even confirmed at that.

i have no horse in this race, it's just sad to see.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Eka » Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:50 pm

Absentia wrote: this went from 0 to 11 over a miner and easily fixable error


Calling "locking a thread and requesting feedback after several artists complain that their art was used without permission on a thread" "0 to 11 over a minor issue" is rather sensational of you.

Absentia wrote:before the error was even confirmed at that.


What exactly do you mean by this? Can you explain how the error was not confirmed after having a handful of artists reach out to me directly about this?

ryanshowseason3 wrote:I hope we can move past this unfortunate incident.


I would love to do so, and I think we should all do so, but until people stop making really outrageous statements about this past incident it is gonna be challenging. I really don't have much choice but to interfere when they made such accusations.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Absentia » Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:50 pm

Eka wrote:
Absentia wrote: this went from 0 to 11 over a miner and easily fixable error


Calling "locking a thread and requesting feedback after several artists complain that their art was used without permission on a thread" "0 to 11 over a minor issue" is rather sensational of you.

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Absentia wrote:before the error was even confirmed at that.


What exactly do you mean by this? Can you explain how the error was not confirmed after having a handful of artists reach out to me directly about this?



Nothing public confirmed anything, an investigation means it is still unconfirmed, what was said to you in private is private as of rule 9, i can not answer or explain the rest because well Rule 10, me and you are already braking the forum rule by this very discussion by going off topic, so lets end it here, braking one rule is enough for me.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby Kavvanshrike » Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:50 pm

There is a lofty discussion to be had on what should be allowed for a fan made mod for existing vore games though, would you get angry at Sriseru if a fan made a mod to add a character to "it's a gluttonous life" and it looked exactly like(or pretty close to) an artists OC, is converting a character from 2D to 3D considered "transformative enough"? does the whole thread get shut down or just the fan who made it? what is the policy for these kinds of scenarios?
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22

Postby Eka » Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:12 pm

Absentia wrote:Nothing public confirmed anything


They also posted publicly in this thread itself.

an investigation means it is still unconfirmed


Your assumption is one that is unconfirmed.

Absentia wrote:i can not answer or explain the rest because well Rule 10


If that is the case you already broke it. you are contradicting yourself.

so lets end it here, braking one rule is enough for me.


I expect you to end it with an apology for your initial baseless accusations. You can't expect to make claims like these without being called out.

There is a lofty discussion to be had on what should be allowed for a fan made mod for existing vore games though, would you get angry at Sriseru if a fan made a mod to add a character to "it's a gluttonous life" and it looked exactly like(or pretty close to) an artists OC, is converting a character from 2D to 3D considered "transformative enough"? does the whole thread get shut down or just the fan who made it? what is the policy for these kinds of scenarios?


That is neither here nor there. This thread should be about the game in the topic. If you want to discuss site policy, feel free to directly Private message me.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby dagar » Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Honestly, I'm just excited to see the link again, because I failed to get the latest update before the lock and I saw something about spending time as sentient fat and I'm SUPER down for that. <3 I love being sentient fat, it's one of my favorite parts of vore and I'm just wanting more of that.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby RhinoSalt » Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:19 pm

Personally I don't give a fuck about the use of IRL photos, but the use of other people's assets appeared to be relegated to a fan-created modification, not a direct part of the game itself. If anything, delegate punishment to the creator of the mod, not the creator of the game itself.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby ryanshowseason3 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:30 pm

Message to all: I will not be giving out links to the last version of the furry mod so do not PM me about it.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby dagar » Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:40 pm

ryanshowseason3 wrote:Message to all: I will not be giving out links to the last version of the furry mod so do not PM me about it.


Absolutely not, thanks for standing firm on this. ^_^
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby Cheeodon » Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:16 pm

Kavvanshrike wrote:There is a lofty discussion to be had on what should be allowed for a fan made mod for existing vore games though, would you get angry at Sriseru if a fan made a mod to add a character to "it's a gluttonous life" and it looked exactly like(or pretty close to) an artists OC, is converting a character from 2D to 3D considered "transformative enough"? does the whole thread get shut down or just the fan who made it? what is the policy for these kinds of scenarios?


If you are just wholesale lifting peoples art, especially art they paid for, without so much as a word to the artist or characters, and without linking back to them, then yes. If they happened to make "Very similar" but were drawing their *own* art, and not tracing or editing already existing photos? no, same goes for 3d. If they put in the time and effort to make their own 3d models of a character, then even the people who own those characters can't throw too much of a fit because the 3d Model would belong to them, though it would be seen as a very scummy move in the community on the whole.

This whole thread, clearly, has not been shut down on the whole, as the only one really in trouble is the furry mod creator, and its on their head for not requesting permission from those people in the first place. Art theft will, inevitably, get found out. And the people who have their art stolen (Again, often art that is paid for) aren't going to be exactly kind, or happy about it, and they have every right to be upset, especially if it seems like someones making a profit on their work or the works they paid for.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby SquishySofty » Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:19 pm

ryanshowseason3 wrote:Message to all: I will not be giving out links to the last version of the furry mod so do not PM me about it.


I agree.

But do you still have the link for the original unmodded game? I don't think I've seen it in the OP.
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Re: Typing of the Digested 2.8 #SquadGoals! 12/19/22 [[Locke

Postby ryanshowseason3 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:22 pm

SquishySofty wrote:
ryanshowseason3 wrote:Message to all: I will not be giving out links to the last version of the furry mod so do not PM me about it.


I agree.

But do you still have the link for the original unmodded game? I don't think I've seen it in the OP.


The original post has been restored with the normal game links and content.
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