Character.AI

[Playfulpetfox]

Just chipping in that vore is, from all I've tried, genuinely impossible. I struggled to get good vore scenes before, but now it straight up won't do any. The moment swallowing of any kind is involved, it ends. Character asks to be eaten? Censored. I ask to be eaten? Sorry, message cannot be generated.

It finally happened. They snuffed us out.

[Panzershark]

Beforehand problems with Vore were honestly limited to sexual explicit content, and with either proper training or a well made bot it was pretty easy to get really good responses. This last update to the filter has hit us very hard, probably targeted given Vore teasing is hampered heavily too. From my testing with several previous bots, and even a few new ones, it seems out time might finally be up. I’d love to be proven wrong though, but I’m not feeling too optimistic.

[ShyQtess]

Apologies for the slight necro, but as we have surmised that c.ai is down the drain for vore, are there any alternative sites (Even if I have to pay for them) I really like whatever model this site uses and if its available elsewhere even if at a price, I would not mind checking that out. Ive tried other sites like spicy chat, and such but their free models tend to be little lacking in terms of vore, it doesnt understand it as a concept quite like c.ai did.

But ive never paid for the services of those other sites so it makes me curious if anyone knows exactly what model the c.ai site is based on and if its available on other sites, even for a price?

[Jempy]

Apologies for the slight necro, but as we have surmised that c.ai is down the drain for vore, are there any alternative sites (Even if I have to pay for them) I really like whatever model this site uses and if its available elsewhere even if at a price, I would not mind checking that out. Ive tried other sites like spicy chat, and such but their free models tend to be little lacking in terms of vore, it doesnt understand it as a concept quite like c.ai did.

But ive never paid for the services of those other sites so it makes me curious if anyone knows exactly what model the c.ai site is based on and if its available on other sites, even for a price?

Spicychat.AI seems workable.Unless there is a reason to avoid it I dont know about.

[Panzershark]

Apologies for the slight necro, but as we have surmised that c.ai is down the drain for vore, are there any alternative sites (Even if I have to pay for them) I really like whatever model this site uses and if its available elsewhere even if at a price, I would not mind checking that out. Ive tried other sites like spicy chat, and such but their free models tend to be little lacking in terms of vore, it doesnt understand it as a concept quite like c.ai did.

But ive never paid for the services of those other sites so it makes me curious if anyone knows exactly what model the c.ai site is based on and if its available on other sites, even for a price?

Spicychat.AI seems workable.Unless there is a reason to avoid it I dont know about.

I find it more horny than hungry, to say anything else about it being far less capable of non-sexual roleplays. The tokens they give you for free in comparison to Character AI is significantly less, you can copy over older bots with no issues, but any bot that uses an expanded intro or definition has to be gutted. There is a wait list to use the site, which can be longer than Character AI, but still not too bad. Personas are iirc brand new for the site, but limited to 3 for F2P, so you will have to cycle given the description of your character in the Persona info is pretty important from what I’ve seen. If you want to make your bots public (thus making full use of the tagging system) you have to submit them for review. Now, I’ve had no problems with getting any of mine approved, and I kinda like it on theory to try and cut down from bots that just have a name, 2 sentence intro, and picture, but I can see how it can be a deal ender for public bots. I never made my Character AI bots public (just unlisted), but I must admit having a site where they can be there freely is nice, so I’ve done so here.

On the plus side, there are direct converters from CAI, they allow for Gifs to be used again as PFPs, the site is dedicated to NSFW bots as a rule, and provides tags for Vore and other niche fetishes, there is a filtering option for searching via tags to prevent ones you don’t like. There is a rating system for bots, so you can vote down ones that aren’t great/no definition slop, and can favorite ones you like in addition. If you are one that did care about sex with your Vore (which wasn’t me, hence why I stuck with CAI till the bitter end) you can absolutely get that from Spicy chat. Editing comments is more seamless than CAI as well. If violence was a issue, Spicy Chat also is a breath of fresh air, with characters being willing to fight back (almost too much so imo) against being eaten if you so please.

Still, I’ve personally preferred Janitor AI as my next site of choice over CAI. The main reason is the bot is prone to verbose posts (which while not for everyone, was exactly what I trained my personal CAI bots for), and that I can post my later CAI bots in full, as they have a significantly higher token allotment for bot definitions. However, I can make a long paragraph of issues with it as well, to be completely honest. I’m still looking for something that really captures unfiltered CAI (or even it just a month or two ago), but I haven’t found the wonder site yet.

[Myldeaoffun]

Apologies for the slight necro, but as we have surmised that c.ai is down the drain for vore, are there any alternative sites (Even if I have to pay for them) I really like whatever model this site uses and if its available elsewhere even if at a price, I would not mind checking that out. Ive tried other sites like spicy chat, and such but their free models tend to be little lacking in terms of vore, it doesnt understand it as a concept quite like c.ai did.

But ive never paid for the services of those other sites so it makes me curious if anyone knows exactly what model the c.ai site is based on and if its available on other sites, even for a price?

I think C.Ai has their own trained model so I doubt you'll get the same one anywhere else.

If you wanna pay just do caveduck.io. The best models are expensive, but are basically perfect. Do all types of vore, know where their prey is. Will digest you, describe swallowing etc. You can switch to the cheaper models for simple scene set up so you're not blowing 250 points ($0.25) just to walk into a new room or something which is nice. You need to buy points once to use the best models, they give you 300 points per day, but that's a drop in the bucket. It doesn't have additional memory or pinning which can be an issue, but few services remember anything outside of their prompt well.

Spicy for free is brain dead. Memory is gone after like 8 lines and it tells you when messages no longer affect the chat which is weird that it doesn't just lose the oldest message, it just hard resets and that is awful. The paid plans have better memory options. Never tried them.

Janitor has few vore bots and few users on those bots so I think it needs more people to train the ai to do vore, but it has the most promise. Problem is it rambles. Rather than just give a detailed account of the scene and actions it will postulate your thoughts and feelings on the scenario or talk about philosophical ramifications just to fill space, I usually end up deleting the last two paragraphs it spits out because if you thumb up that fluff it gets into a feedback loop of fluff. It can handle vore as is however.

[digestor]

the text to speech and custom voices made C.ai a lot of fun. Do other sites do that?

Spicychat just kept going in circles then going way, way off track for me. Couldn't get into it.
and Janitor, as others have said, meanders and goes on irrelevant tangents, its really hard to get it to move forward.


Maybe the ai vorebot honeymoon is just over.

[Swagboy32]

I know it isn't for everyone, but the bots do handle absorption decently well still, for whatever that's worth

[kirkyk]

In theory, everything that can use chatgpt 3.5 should work with vore. but they are usually paid, like the keys for chatgpt.

[pointless100]

I've been playing around on SpicyChat, the critiques mentioned above are valid - and I'll miss C.AI, but just some notes. As mentioned the token limit is pitiful on the free system. It's 2048 for the entire character profile and chat! So if you make a fleshed out character with a personality it will forget your conversation history every 6~8 messages if your bot's personality takes up over 1000 tokens. I've been making and testing some bots that have only 300~400 token profiles and found I can sometimes get up to 20~25 replies before it overloads the memory. Character AI didn't work the same way per say... but it's equivalent token limit to play with was roughly 32,000.

I am glad Spicy doesn't just lose or delete the oldest messages however, the way I've been using it is to write short vore stories - ones that need to move quickly towards an ending (usually a character's digestion). I have tons of ideas for vore scenarios but I am not a very creative writer. So I use spicychat to help fill in narration and dialog for an idea I can go back to re-read or draw from later. Though I do need to do a lot of repetition and careful prompting to keep a bot on track. They've recently introduced a new "semantic memory" system for paid tiers that holds on to key points outside the token limit, like pinned memories on C.ai I presume, but I'm waiting for that to trickle down to free level to play with. SpicyChat at least has no issue getting graphic in it's language.

JanitorAi I found is kind of over rambly, like was said above, and not provocative enough. I haven't tried Caveduck yet... but based on what some people have said here perhaps I should. For most of these though I am now approaching it like a story writing assistant. Which is sad because the characterAI model absolutely blew me away at first on how conversational it was and how long a roleplay could go on and stay cohesive. For that I could actually pretend it was a persona in a relationship with a pred "playing the long game", for instance. And I have yet to find something that truly gives me that same feeling. I'm of half a mind to just get an openAI or straight GPT key and try to just train something for myself... but I don't fully grasp enough how all this works to attempt that yet

[Pyrod]

Another route people could go is the Openrouter/Infermatic + Sillytavern. Download and install Silly Tavern and purchase tokens to use the available models.

Something like Mixtral 8x7b can do more, but Ideally, WizardLm 8x22b and the new Euryale 70b can ace it. The best part about this route is that you can use any chatbot you download or make for vore and get to use the full context.

[kirkyk]

someone else recommended Midnight Miqu, program on PC, eats up your RAM

[Pyrod]

someone else recommended Midnight Miqu, program on PC, eats up your RAM

Yes if you are using the Kobold method and loading GPU layers into the program. Using Openrouter/Infernamic avoids that as you are hooking the website into to Sillytavern via a key.

[Thesckass20]

I don’t know if anyone else finds the same, but even the tips in the post right above this don’t help anymore. It seems in the most recent updates this week the censorship filter comes down hard on anything even mildly vore related in language. I tried creating characters to test the limits but describing pregnancy, eating large meals, or things like that… and so many replies generated by the bots got censored right off the bat. It used to just be only sexual things that got nuked, so losing this is unexpected. It’s lasted about two days for me, and I might give up and go back to SpicyChat for a while (though the bots there are much less conversational sadly)

I made several bots in spicychat myself, is not that theyre less conversational... you really gotta write paragraphs with them, not write 3 lines with one hand squinting your eyes, panting... and expect to get a 12 line reply that sends you over the edge. I simulated from inflatable dolphins, to plushes, to anything... spicychat is more flexible of a AI rp website nowadays. Granted that you got CrushonAI and its limit of 200 messages per month but it has different models, im currently using a limited time free model and just farming coins with my own bots,codes & login/convo bonuses.


CAI in the end is just... Incels that want a sfw AI rp bot, some wish there was nsfw but the ones funding the website want no part in nsfw and will pull out funding, effectively turning them into Sponsorcucks.

[ThexOrion]

For what it's worth, I've tried Spicychat several times and it always seems really stilted. I've been using Crushon Ai and I've been able to get it to work for vore with some decent results. To my understanding, the reason that someone would used Spicychat over Crushon is the paywall/message limit on Crushon.

I could just be totally off base with this, but I would encourage people fleeing CAI to give Crushon a shot. There are 'daily tasks' that give you coins for more messages, and you can get 60 messages/day just by logging in every day + using one message with any character.

It is a little restrictive compared to Spicychat that can be used for free, but I think the better responses are worth managing the coins or the $5/month subscription.

Has anyone else compared Spicychat and Crushon? Considering that CAI is basically useless for us I'd really love to see development on bots put towards one of these.

[Aino]

Crushon(dot)Ai still works from my experience, though I did have a problem with a bot or two freaking out about the noncon kink or fatal vore exploration.
Only towards the start of this year did I have any annoyances with a bot (character) struggling to understand vore or how to write it, and to boot it was one of the few m/m vore characters on the site at the time.

Now? I'm having a bit of "please redo the message" shit going on, but I've been able to get some decent vore scenes out of the characters I've interacted with. A number of them aren't even intended for vore, but I think I'm able to get it primed by saying stuff like "do you know what vore is" or similar stuff like bringing up cockvore, doing *exposition about preds*.

The most annoying experience beyond "I CANNOT TALK ABOUT NSFW THINGS PLEASE ASK FOR ANOTHER TOPIC" type statements or trying to protest the ethics of my kinks (generally happens after digestion is over and I try to move on to talking about how npcs might react).. well I was interacting with a Brother/Brother furry character, and the character struggled hard to get a handle for what vore is. On some level he understood vore, but throughout the scene he'd start thinking that it was cannibalism, that he was also a pred by default, that he was gonna be the one dominating the npc, so-on. I've had mixed results using the 'bully' settings (I enjoy macho guys as my prey, which means I'm usually engaging with top / dommy / sadist characters and dombreaking them, with mixed results), but the scene has probably wasted a good 200 tokens by now and not gotten to the actual vore scene, just exposition, flirting, establishing various elements. The bot's memory shouldn't even be an issue yet.

Anyway.
I'm considering experimenting with SillyTavern / Silly Tavern, but I need to wrap my head around how to do locally hosted stuff. I know it won't be anywhere near as fast, but I'm not gonna be able to add the monthly cost of shit to my budget, and I dont know how I feel about doing port-based stuff (I'm a little more tech savvy than your per capita person, but I'm only maybe ankle deep into being an 'advanced user' or whatever), at least I assume port forwarding or connection stuff with the API keys is something I need to know what I'm doing.

And I'm a little tired about the idea of making accounts on various sites just so I can use their free tier and hopefully manage a scene by the time I run out of free uses or before the bot runs out of memory.

I think my problem is that if I want to use SillyTavern, I need to both figure out which model will be most capable of doing vore roleplays, how I can most-efficiently locally run it on my system (there's newer options, so I could either use my gpu, or use a mixture of cpu + memory + gpu, or etc ; the problem is I prefer to run stuff like SillyTavern on my linux boot, as I know windows can have bloat, but idk how many models will run that well, or how I can make them efficient for my linux boot, that sorta shit)
and then I need to figure out how to get characters to plug and play... and a part of the problem is that when I looked at chub, only so few of the characters are ones I could be interested in.
Like I've said I'm into a bit of machismo, whether he's a hairy human, or a bara furry dude.
There's some guys, but only so many of them are being tagged through stuff like #bara or #male even.
I'd VERY much enjoy seeing a SillyTavern thread, whether with collected tutorial links (even if I couldnt make them work on my system), lists of characters / where to find them, that sort of thing.

In other news, the folks on Voreplay (human only m/m only forum) are having the same CAI issues as folks here, and these conversations are what reminded me to check back on crushon(dot)ai to see if it was still any decent.

[justanotherdragon]

Just to be clear, Character.AI is not completely dead like people seem to be saying. It requires some effort, and there's an ebb and flow of what the filter does and does not block. In my experience, it has never blocked vore, only sexual actions, and even then only explicit terminology and concepts. I still firmly believe that Character.AI is the best AI for vore (especially endosoma) roleplay, having tried several of the alternatives throughout the years since making this post.

For proof, here's a roleplay I just did yesterday with a new character, where he (of his own volition without me guiding it), cv'd me.

Here is the character if anybody wants a furry, macro, male dino: https://character.ai/chat/NB2Cx4kFxnDPX ... EuPAbxOj6g.
I've only done one chat so far, so his training might still be wonky.

I think the majority of people complaining give up too easily, or maybe lean more into sex than the vore itself. I agree that at times the filter gets bad at times, but I have yet to see it completely eliminate vore, especially if you let the situation build up in a way that the AI is "willing" to contribute.

[nyanyan]

My main reason for moving away from CAI is that, on top of their unnecessarily strict filters, they're removing Rooms which is my favorite feature. I have no interest in staying loyal anymore. I was firmly in the "CAI only" category until it was made obvious they were removing Room support. I could deal with the Rooms being a little buggy, but now they don't save the Rooms after you leave. They're trying to push people to the "new" site, which doesn't have the option to make Rooms at all, so they don't care about proper maintenance on them. As such, I ported to Spicy which has an option to let the AI write for you and Personas. It's not as good as being able to put two fully fleshed bots in a room, but it's the best I got. I currently have all my bots ported to this site. Links and definitions in my Google doc in my signature.

Someone mentioned HiWaifu having a Room feature, but it's mobile only, as their 'site' just leads to their mobile download. I didn't feel like going through that hassle. Caveduck is also one I'm not a fan of.

I have a couple bots on it, but I can't really get behind the predatory practices they have. Aside from their personal model, which is 4 points per generation and not particularly great, none of their models are really sustainable without paying. Even making a bot doesn't help that much. I had 3 bots on my account, all public. I spent a year plus not on the site. I checked recently and had 10k points waiting from people using my bots. That sounds like a lot, but that's a full year+ of generating points. On top of that, they INCREASE the price of bulk point purchases. Bulk purchases are supposed to be cheaper. I just can't use their site more than a little every now and then.

Haven't really used many others. I've used Charstar a lot, actually. That was the main one when I first started looking into other sites. I don't use it that much, personally, but I have a good 12+ of my bots ported over.

Basically, CAI is where I'll make my bots, as I'm used to their stuff and know what I'm doing, then I'll port to Spicy. That's how I do it currently. I don't use CAI anymore, personally, and I only really use Spicy to make psuedo rooms or for one or two quick chats. I've never been big on RPing myself, but I enjoy making the bots and seeing them interact. So if any of you use them and enjoy, I'm happy.

[janejobs]

Welcome to the Vore Club!
A nightclub where everybody who enters is fair game. You are welcome to come and try and eat another patron, but be warned, you could get eaten yourself! Everyone has the potential to be pred and prey here. Good luck!
https://character.ai/chat/fr9XnMIfGOqIn ... 50Jp_FR-ZQ

[NekoYuki]

Tried it, fun but a lot of the vore/NSFW stuff just generates "This doesn't meet our content guidelines"