The pic that Snake deleted off BG

[WHTB]

Alright, so I've been drawing some pics recently that deviate from my normal WE art. Instead I decided I'd emphasize the other side of things. A bit of a turnabout. I've been drawing the girls I normally draw as food getting back at the predators.

What? I happen to like strong-willed girls. Don't look at me like that.

Anyway. I posted a pic on the Big Gulp board recently and the moderator decided it was in the best interest of the board to delete the picture so I wouldn't anger the trolls. (What?)

So, in the interest of people still enjoying the picture, I'm posting it right here. Be warned, though. It's a hard vore pic.

http://cybersanitarium.com/gallery/pics ... atOwn4.jpg

[Chaotic]

Kinda funny how the moderator won't remove the troll but instead appease them by removing your art. Great stuff as always WHTB. Drac-Chronic is a fool and doesn't understand that vore in and of itself is fantasy. Anything can happen. Just cause dragons are big doesn't make them invincible (or uneatable). As proven by the cute little catgirl in your pic

[Surge]

Why did Snake go and deletes a good piece of art because one person will bitch about it? I don't like certain things. If I bitch about them, will I get to see them removed? I doubt it. Why did he suddenly go from semi-lazy to totalitarian?

I have a sneaking suspicion...

Anyone remember when Drac-Chronic mentioned some feeding videos? Snake seemed very interested... Do I smell a crooked moderator?

[Eka]

Why did Snake go and deletes a good piece of art because one person will bitch about it? I don't like certain things. If I bitch about them, will I get to see them removed? I doubt it. Why did he suddenly go from semi-lazy to totalitarian?

I have a sneaking suspicion...

Anyone remember when Drac-Chronic mentioned some feeding videos? Snake seemed very interested... Do I smell a crooked moderator?

For someone who had as much faith in BG, the news was not only shocking, it was downright disappointing.
I'm speechless.

On the site note. It is a wonderful drawing. You managed to make hardvore not distrubing for people who dislike hardvore. I love it.

[Cilis]

Lovely picture, I'm more of a soft vore fan myself but I do so love the sexy and powerful females >=)

This is why I play predator and prey, girls like that XD

[Negator]

I'm just saddened by the whole thing. I've never been very vocal, have no real talent to contribute anything sadly, but have been visiting that board for like 5 years now(and others way longer than I have), and I never thought it would've come to this, honestly. At a point now where he'll let trolls censor others art? Gah...


I'm not a fan of hard myself, but damn, it's a really nice pic, your style has vastly improved since the first time I saw it a long time ago.

[Cilis]

What gets me is that people think that WTHB did this soley to upset him, the fact is before he took a vacation (which saddened my greatly, because I loved seeing his updates) he was already turning a new leaf, the catgirls that used to be prey started having weapons, armor, and started eating others...

That was long before drac had his mental blow out with strega over the elephant vs dragon thing, it also makes me sad that the little gimp gets away with it because he supplies a few people with snake or animal feeding videos, and normally people with some weight in the community that vore has.

Really, when all the drama can be traced back to one person... how more obvious can it be on what the problem is?

[martyr]

Really, when all the drama can be traced back to one person... how more obvious can it be on what the problem is?

That was long before drac had his mental blow out with strega over the elephant vs dragon thing, it also makes me sad that the little gimp gets away with it because he supplies a few people with snake or animal feeding videos, and normally people with some weight in the community that vore has.

You already answered your own question. That's exactly how the last troll operated. Gain the affection of the more prominent members of the community (or in this case, the admin), then divide the community.

[rv]

I'd like to say I'm confused on such the matter. Nice drawing, by the way, still trying to figgur' it out, but can't determine the feelings of people... really, this is confusing and guess I'll have to find another haunt if it must veer that way.

[Karbo]

I am clearly against such biased censorship but I think you could have avoided the
"It looks like my last pic like this went over pretty well, so I decided to draw another"
WHTB -_-

As for the BG boards, the problem is that drac seems to be really an author with solid background and this has become some kind of license for him to act with impunity like a perfect asshole.

A behavior wich would have given him an instant big ass ban on every forums I can think about... but not on BG...
There is personnaly nothing I hate more than biased moderation.

[Eka]

I am clearly against such biased censorship but I think you could have avoided the
"It looks like my last pic like this went over pretty well, so I decided to draw another"
WHTB -_-

As for the BG boards, the problem is that drac seems to be really an author with solid background and this has become some kind of license for him to act with impunity like a perfect asshole.

A behavior wich would have given him an instant big ass ban on every forums I can think about... but not on BG...
There is personnaly nothing I hate more than biased moderation.

In reality, the draw did went over very well. If you look at the thread, everyone liked it, except, well, one person.

He is doing exactly what he is expected to do, completely ignored those who can't stand the drawing, label the topic properly. You can't possibly expect him to be responsible for how to rest of the board react to that person again.

They keep expecting people to stop all those 'reaction'. But censoring his image itself is one of those 'reaction' as well. When that happen, it become hypocritical in my opinion where you ask people not to do something but keep doing it yourself.

I did hate to have something like BG discourage him!

[Karbo]

I recall a very similar situation.

It was on an art board. One day a very famous and talented comic drawer blessed the community with his presence.

For a time there was large number of wonderfull posts. A true marvel for the eyes, largely praised by all. The author became progressively more and more haughty and arrogant. One day, a newbie posted his work and the author decided to have a bit of fun and flamed his art to hell.

A large flame war ensued. To the stupor of the whole community and even some moderators, the admins took side with the author and finally banned the poor newbie wich only wrong was to be at the wrong place, at the wrong moment.
An even larger flame war ensued and the admin began to ban those who disagreed with him.
The board had been up for 3 years and in one week it was gone...

[WHTB]

I posted it like that because it DID go over well. There was not ONE post that cast the picture in a negative light that was not posted by that one individual. Everyone else had good comments about the picture.

Furthermore, I did make the effort to label the topic properly and what everyone seemed to not notice is that I did not respond to any of the flames posted by the troll. I thanked people for most of the good feedback, and ignored the rest. If everyone did that, we'd have a better board.

Everyone's been telling everyone to ignore the damn troll and that's exactly what I did. I ignored him and posted what I wanted to post. Then I ignored his overzealous criticism.

Oh well. Whatever. I'm done with that board and I have drawing to do.

[Graphis]

Congrats, WTHB.

You've got real integrity. While your pic was not my normal taste, it was well excecuted and I really liked your chiroscuro (if I spelled it right, and it's just an artsyfartsy term that means lots of darkness and a little light)

I'm really glad to see that you won't let this stupid incident stop you from drawing for one second. Personally, I have enjoyed the BG board for some time, but it has outlived it's usefullness and appeal for me due to recent incidents. This is the last straw, and I shall join you in your boycott of the board.

Snake, if you're reading this, you can still save your bacon. Issue a public apology, denounce the zealotry of certain members and institute some form of punishment for thier kind of behavior. Otherwise, I urge any caring member of the vore community to avoid the bg board as well.

[BradRepko]

ummm....... like, I go on the computer to avoid politics. *laughs* Ok, everyone, calm down for a moment and clear your heads. Now, vore is something not typically considered mainstream. If we want are bustling, growing community to survive, we have got to band together and not get caught up in issues like this. Sounds to much like poltical crap to me, and I get enough of that in the real world. I think Zelos from Tales of Symphonia said it best when he said "The people that I like, the people that I don't like, all have a right to live." or something like that. Anyway, that's true in this case to, the stuff we like and don't like have rights to be expressed too! If someone values one persons opinion over several others, that is their right. Let's not fight or debate over it, okay, that only leads to more hard feelings and more hatred. Dwarven Vow #1, Let's all work together for a peaceful world. I mean look at Eka and me, at one point, I was really angry at Eka, but then I calmed down and I realized, I don't want to be angry at Eka. She's cute, and it's not very chivalrous of me to be angry at cute girls. I stuffed my pride aside and not only apologized, but admitted to myself in my heart that I, in fact, was wrong, which I was. Now, I'm not asking anyone to do that, I'm just saying, let's all get along for a peaceful community. Let's act civilized and not resent people for there mistakes, for we all make them. Oh, and remember, like, I'm the idiot who throws myself inbetween two people when they start fighting in an attempt to stop them, and I don't want to see anyone get hurt, so can we shove this issue to the side and make up and all be friends again. *tear drop* Thank you for your time, everyone.

[Terastas]

I have a sneaking suspicion...

I do as well. I've given it some thought, and the only logical explanation I can think of would be that Drac-Chronic is someone Snake knows personally in RL, and it would not surprise me if not only did they know each other, but that Drac-Chronic was in a position where he could make Snake's life truly miserable if he wanted to.

On thing is certain, Drac-Chronic is definitely not a published author as he claims to be. For all his gloating about how smart and prestigeous he is, he still can't even so much as tell us the title of his book. I'm nowhere near finished with mine, but even I could tell you what the intended title will be ("Nations of the Noctem, Book 1: Environ" if you're wondering).

I'm going to keep visiting the BG board so I can bookmark a few websites that usually update there, but once that's taken care of, I think I'm going to refrain from B.G. at least until the Spring. Hopefully by then D-C will have either become bored and moved on or pissed Snake off to the point of no return.

Anyway, back on topic: I'm against predatory hierarchy and support a cat-girl's right to defend herself. Thanks for sharing.

[Throku]

Hmm...can I say I wish she was greedier?
Hardvore isn't my cup of tea but your work is of such quality I can enjoy most of your stuff for the quality of the art on its own merits even if the vore doesn't do me anything.

As for BG it is fucked, I once scanned the net far and wide and posted all I found there but since I only got shit in my face for doing so I quit a long time ago and no I didn't just post f/f human vore, I posted all vore stuff I could find that didn't involve kids or real people getting hurt, which both irks me.

And as for the people saying that dracronic or what's his name isn't a troll. They have to turn on their monitors so they can read the shit he's posting, or maybe their problem is glasses, or maybe they are blind and unable to read his shit in the first place? Either way he's a troll any freaking way you look at it and people bitching at his defence are just stirring up more shit and that too is trolling since it is obvious he's a troll.

As for Snake deleting that picture, that is just friggin' fucked up, it's one thing if there was some sort of eventual legal problems, but it was on topic and properly labled and no legal problems.

As for targeting a specific person to make them feel bad? Well it would be one thing if it was with the intent to hurt and it had been a contributing member of the community, but a troll? (I know this wasn't the case, but I'm saying even if the intention had been to annoy one person.)

Personally if I was writing all sort of vore and not just human/ human, then I'd be tempted to do more dragon as prey just so that that fuckface wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd know that there'd be enough other people that would regardless of what I wrote.

[Tervicz]

Excuse me. It's not that I'd want to stick my hand into the beehive. But I'm affraid this topic is doing some damage to the forum. It is what we call forum bashing. While it may be perfectly justifiable in your opinion it may drive off people from this forum just as well. People who dispite this alleged incident still like that place dispite a possible troll. And this will increase the division within these ranks. Do you really want a single troll and an alleged bad admin descision to destroy the community?

On the issue. I'm not actually a member of that forum. And thus I did not see what happened. While I definitly like the picture however it is important that one realises a forum is not an actual democracy. The admin owns the site and it's the admin who sets the policy of a forum. Granted they can take the opinions of their members into account but that a rare previlege and not mandatory. It's their site, not yours. You're only allowed to use it as they please according to their policy. And what snake did is issue a policy by deleting this image. Although you may not like this intervention it is his perogative to do so.
In the end a member can only do two things. Either he accepts the policy and goes to use said site, or doesn't accept the policy and doesn't use the site. Now, can we put this issue to rest or do you want it to further consume our people and set the community on fire?

[Terastas]

Do you really want a single troll and an alleged bad admin descision to destroy the community?

The community is bigger than any message board, and is certainly not restricted to any one website, which is something I'm beginning to think Snake may have forgotten (which might explain his policy on posting links to other message boards). I also think the idea that B.G. = vore community is what's allowing many other members of the community, many of which I used to greatly respect (and still do, just not as much as I used to) to continue to put up with it.

Trolls don't quit while their ahead either -- we see a disappointing forum, DC sees fuel for his ego -- so Snake will have to face up to him eventually. Either he pulls the plug on DC and gains back some of our respect and possibly our participation on his forum, or he lets DC spark one flame war after another until his forum degenerates into a spammer's paradise and he takes his place among the Burned Furs, CYD, $A goons, and other variations of what I like to call the Fallen Furs.

What will NOT happen, of course, is any damage to the community itself. If Snake lets his forum go kaput, the only member of the community we will lose is Snake himself. The community may seem a little scattered and disconnected at first as former B.G. posters pick out their new primary website (I think a lot of us have a lot of websites we visit but only a handful that we frequent), but eventually everyone will know who went where; if not over the net, than at the next furry con.

Though I agree: threads like this aren't healthy for a forum. It's just that my reasoning is not that B.G. is in any way symbolic of the community, rather that if we do too much ranting about the website that inspired us to post all of our stuff here instead, we run the risk of turning this forum into an "I hate B.G." forum. That's about as healthy for a forum as looking the other way every time a troll flames a thread.

And WHTB, I'm sorry your artwork announcement turned into a "Dumbass Drac" thread. Once again, great artwork.

[Eka]

Now back to the post.

Excuse me. It's not that I'd want to stick my hand into the beehive. But I'm affraid this topic is doing some damage to the forum. It is what we call forum bashing. While it may be perfectly justifiable in your opinion it may drive off people from this forum just as well. People who dispite this alleged incident still like that place dispite a possible troll. And this will increase the division within these ranks. Do you really want a single troll and an alleged bad admin descision to destroy the community?

On the issue. I'm not actually a member of that forum. And thus I did not see what happened. While I definitly like the picture however it is important that one realises a forum is not an actual democracy. The admin owns the site and it's the admin who sets the policy of a forum. Granted they can take the opinions of their members into account but that a rare previlege and not mandatory. It's their site, not yours. You're only allowed to use it as they please according to their policy. And what snake did is issue a policy by deleting this image. Although you may not like this intervention it is his perogative to do so.
In the end a member can only do two things. Either he accepts the policy and goes to use said site, or doesn't accept the policy and doesn't use the site. Now, can we put this issue to rest or do you want it to further consume our people and set the community on fire?

I'm glad that most of you have been intelligent and cautious enough to beaware of those possiblity of bad feeling. I'm probably not going to do any editing if I can help it.

As much as I hate to talk behind people's back. I still think it is necessary to allow people to talk about things they want to talk about. In BG, we have a more one on one style threading system where people answer to one post at a time. While it is good on it's own way. It does create problem when people focusing on one single post from one user too much.

The community is bigger than any message board, and is certainly not restricted to any one website, which is something I'm beginning to think Snake may have forgotten (which might explain his policy on posting links to other message boards). I also think the idea that B.G. = vore community is what's allowing many other members of the community, many of which I used to greatly respect (and still do, just not as much as I used to) to continue to put up with it.

Trolls don't quit while their ahead either -- we see a disappointing forum, DC sees fuel for his ego -- so Snake will have to face up to him eventually. Either he pulls the plug on DC and gains back some of our respect and possibly our participation on his forum, or he lets DC spark one flame war after another until his forum degenerates into a spammer's paradise and he takes his place among the Burned Furs, CYD, $A goons, and other variations of what I like to call the Fallen Furs.

What will NOT happen, of course, is any damage to the community itself. If Snake lets his forum go kaput, the only member of the community we will lose is Snake himself. The community may seem a little scattered and disconnected at first as former B.G. posters pick out their new primary website (I think a lot of us have a lot of websites we visit but only a handful that we frequent), but eventually everyone will know who went where; if not over the net, than at the next furry con.

Though I agree: threads like this aren't healthy for a forum. It's just that my reasoning is not that B.G. is in any way symbolic of the community, rather that if we do too much ranting about the website that inspired us to post all of our stuff here instead, we run the risk of turning this forum into an "I hate B.G." forum. That's about as healthy for a forum as looking the other way every time a troll flames a thread.

In here, it is a different approach. The system works to encourage people to stick to the same topic and replies on the private message system to handle one on one situation. That way, everyone will feels part of the discussion better without having flame generated easily.

Also, thanks for the cautious. Though I have to question about the part where you said BG have certain attitude toward other forum post. I have never heard about it. Of course. I believe it is bad form advertists the same service in other's service, but that is just me. I figure it is common sense really.