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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby RediQ » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:33 pm

TheVoreEngineer wrote:https://www.pillowfort.io
Pro's - Specifically looks to be a similar experience to Tumblr, revenue stream not tied to advertising meaning that censorship is less likely, Stronger control regarding how content is distributed.
Con's - 5$ payment required for account creation currently unsure if this will impact uploaders or viewers as well, the site mentions "Very few NSFW restrictions" meaning those looking to upload vore content involving minors may want to steer clear until further confirmation.


Now that their servers are back up and the login page is available, we know a little more about how Pillowfort runs and works and how they intend to continue for the future:

- There are paid registration accounts that you can use to create and manage content, and it's possible to log into a completely free "DemoUser" account that is viewer-only, but it is very limited in features and just lets you see posts.

- Fortunately, it is possible to view user pages and posts even while not logged-in, if you're sent there by the URL of the user's page or of a specific post (whether from being linked to it on another site, or from something like a google search). This means it can work as a gallery of sorts, but for now most people won't be finding your work on pillowfort itself unless they have registered. Technically, browsing by tags is available when not logged in as well, and even the search function if people know pillowfort's search URL, but obviously non-registered people are way less likely to use that stuff.
(For the record, you can search Pillowfort by using https://www.pillowfort.io/search/xxxxx , where "xxxxx" is whatever tag you wanna search by)

- Unfortunately, the Demo account is just generic, not individualized, so at this time it seems like free viewers have no option to Follow/Reblog/Like stuff. It's really hard to tell due to the server issues they're having right now as well, but after trying it, it seems to me like the Demo account might also be completely hidden from seeing explicitly sexual images, which is understandable since it never confirms age. However, it seems like lewd stuff is fully visible if you go to a page while not logged-in, meaning you can link people to a lewd artblog if needed.

- The site is still in what they're calling a "closed beta" phase, and they make it sound like this is the reason behind the current $5 registration fee. Their development and business plans seem to confirm that the fee to join will only be temporary:
pillowfort wrote:Long Term Plans

Premium Account Features: Essential site features will remain free from a paywall, while users can pay for premium features. (For example: being able to upload larger file sizes, uploading gifs to a library, personal analytics.)


- This was pretty well-known even while they were down, but they're still in the process of making a pillowfort app. Currently it's web browser only and will continue to be for at least a few more months.

- In addition to looking and behaving mostly like tumblr, they also have a "groups" function that users can join into. Hard to say right now how much this will or won't be used to establish communities around fetish art.

- Their development/business plans, as listed, are talking about timeframes that go into Summer 2019 (for "short term plans"), and it'll probably take time well beyond that before it becomes a more fully-featured - and eventually free - version of the tumblr-replacement that people are hoping it can be. It's a shame that the timing of tumblr's decision doesn't line up with pillowfort having finished building itself as a website, but by 2020 or so it could end up being an excellent go-to place for artists and viewers of both sfw and nsfw work. If someone actually is trying to make their living as an artist, it may not hurt to jump on board now since it certainly seems like a decent place to host a gallery/artblog, though by all indications it is going to be quite a while before it becomes a place for people at large to publicly discover and follow your art in the way that tumblr was.
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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby tigercloud » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:41 pm

dodoman_1er wrote:Fuck all this shit, censorship is killing the net. Time to move to the deep web. The surface web is dead.

Any cool pages there to post your art? Yes creating a own site is possible but

a) hard to find by others, especially such a nice thing like vore
b) you need to have a server/device which runs the site
c) you have to secure your server - some ppl don't have the knowledge for it
d) some people don't have the knowledge to create a own site - I would not recommend use CMS software, because of security holes in there (see also c)

But I agree, that the surface is really dying the last years. I consider Eka's one of the last pages from the golden ages of the web. The rest is overbloated, overscripted and at some point only made for phone users... This sucks
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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby klonoa723 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:10 pm

Uh, a place to put NSFW stuff in...
What about Pornhub? IIRC it's only vids now, but they could always expand their site... :D
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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby jaggedjagd » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:58 pm

klonoa723 wrote:What about Pornhub? IIRC it's only vids now, but they could always expand their site...

AlisaBlueBird wrote:I can't believe that there's no one site for all NSFW artists to go. It seems like such an obvious market, it's amazing noone's filled the demand.

Drawn porn is so scattered all across the web, there never was a consensus big NSFW art site. As awful as it was, tumblr was the only one closest to being the cartoon equivalent of sites like porn hub or literotica.

God, I just wanna draw smut without being treated like a criminal...
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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby RediQ » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:07 pm

jaggedjagd wrote:Drawn porn is so scattered all across the web, there never was a consensus big NSFW art site. As awful as it was, tumblr was the only one closest to being the cartoon equivalent of sites like porn hub or literotica.


Yeah. In terms of site design, pixiv is the closest thing to an everything-welcome nsfw art hub now, but unfortunately it's also one with a language barrier and isn't likely to hit that "consensus" aspect for non-Japanese-speakers.
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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby jaggedjagd » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:13 pm

RediQ wrote:Yeah. In terms of site design, pixiv is the closest thing to an everything-welcome nsfw art hub now, but unfortunately it's also one with a language barrier and isn't likely to hit that "consensus" aspect for non-Japanese-speakers.

Which is strange, contrary to popular belief Japan has very fierce censorship laws for porn from what I heard. How is pixiv able to allow hardcore fetishes and even dreaded underage content, I have no clue how that works.
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Re: Alternatives to tumblr?

Postby RediQ » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:32 pm

jaggedjagd wrote:
RediQ wrote:Yeah. In terms of site design, pixiv is the closest thing to an everything-welcome nsfw art hub now, but unfortunately it's also one with a language barrier and isn't likely to hit that "consensus" aspect for non-Japanese-speakers.

Which is strange, contrary to popular belief Japan has very fierce censorship laws for porn from what I heard. How is pixiv able to allow hardcore fetishes and even dreaded underage content, I have no clue how that works.

Oh, yeah, honestly I completely forgot about that aspect since I usually don't even notice the little censor-bar type stuff in jp works.

I'm pretty sure Japanese users do have to bar or blur or exclude genitalia? But from what I understand, the law is over-specific in a way that means that it's still presumed legal to be incredibly explicit as long as there's some slight obscuring of the actual sex parts. It's possible that it's even the kind of thing that gets away because people turn a blind eye towards it, though I doubt that's the only explanation since I have heard of Japanese nsfw artists occasionally losing their livelihoods over doujin works.

I have no idea how pixiv gets away with hosting uncensored things from non-Japanese users, though. Maybe that law only applies to creators and not hosts/distributors, or maybe they aren't technically hosting the content on jp servers anymore.
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