VoreCraft, A Vanilla 1.20.4 Minecraft vore server Info&IP

[LiekosSilver]

ah ok ^_^

[Artemis]

While we're waiting...

I looked at the poll and I feel like tummy lumps (or animated tummy lumps) would be the best quality-of-kink improvement for the server right now.

Animated swallowing is nice, but it only lasts a second or two and then you forget it until the next time you vore someone. Considering how much work it would be, you aren't really getting the most bang or your buck. Y'know?

And as I've mentioned before, I honestly don't think we need MPM cocks and vaginas or whatever. The ability to passively flaunt your junk at people contradicts the "respect people's preferences" rule and would easily convince some of us to uninstall/turn off MPM if it were implemented. The feature has more potential to do harm by dividing the community than good.

Finally... to be honest I have no idea what the vore beta plugin entails, though it sounds exciting knowing what little I've heard. =o

[doomrider012345]

While we're waiting...

I looked at the poll and I feel like tummy lumps (or animated tummy lumps) would be the best quality-of-kink improvement for the server right now.

Animated swallowing is nice, but it only lasts a second or two and then you forget it until the next time you vore someone. Considering how much work it would be, you aren't really getting the most bang or your buck. Y'know?

And as I've mentioned before, I honestly don't think we need MPM cocks and vaginas or whatever. The ability to passively flaunt your junk at people contradicts the "respect people's preferences" rule and would easily convince some of us to uninstall/turn off MPM if it were implemented. The feature has more potential to do harm by dividing the community than good.

Finally... to be honest I have no idea what the vore beta plugin entails, though it sounds exciting knowing what little I've heard. =o

I agree with them, I'm not really a fan of CV, and I would prefer to not see people waving their junk around if I could avoid it... It can make things a lot more awkward too...
Maybe in the future if a hide/show button was made...

[LiekosSilver]

Sever is having a stroke again xD
something is booting us off as we join

[Potato]

Sever is having a stroke again xD
something is booting us off as we join

Yep, server ran out of hdd space, had to delete the dynmap. and restore a chunk from backup.
It's all good now tho

[LiekosSilver]

awesome

[Artemis]

Maybe in the future if a hide/show button was made...

There's a couple of obstacles with this idea.

MPM currently does not have any function for hiding certain features on others or even turning itself off on demand, so that entire function would have to be coded from the ground up.

MPM is also already a pretty unreliable mod. There are already issues with it displaying the wrong stuff on people, usually either failing to display stuff or displaying out-of-date stuff. These kinds of bugs and mod limitations would possibly impact the function of a hide/show button.

Even if you did have a non-buggy hide/show button, which would impress me personally, you're still left with this situation where people are passively initiating sexual encounters with others and other people have to opt out of those encounters instead of opting in. See, even if you do turn dongs and cooters off on your end other people won't necessarily know that and that's going to result in at least a few very awkward exchanges. ("Hey bro, like my hyper dong?" "...")

[Catzalot]

Maybe in the future if a hide/show button was made...

There's a couple of obstacles with this idea.

MPM currently does not have any function for hiding certain features on others or even turning itself off on demand, so that entire function would have to be coded from the ground up.

MPM is also already a pretty unreliable mod. There are already issues with it displaying the wrong stuff on people, usually either failing to display stuff or displaying out-of-date stuff. These kinds of bugs and mod limitations would possibly impact the function of a hide/show button.

Even if you did have a non-buggy hide/show button, which would impress me personally, you're still left with this situation where people are passively initiating sexual encounters with others and other people have to opt out of those encounters instead of opting in. See, even if you do turn dongs and cooters off on your end other people won't necessarily know that and that's going to result in at least a few very awkward exchanges. ("Hey bro, like my hyper dong?" "...")

What if the default state in the MPM was to have the genitals off? That way it was an Opt in?

Your "MPM is buggy" point isn't very valid, as the /vo plugin is buggy, and I could easily see someone getting vored when set to pred. Heck, Earlier today someone was being swallowed while a pred thanks to /vo eatme not toggling off when they did /vo stopand then /go pred.

People have already complained about RPing in global, so how is that less awkward then someone asking you about Genitalia?

And finally, should we really disallow everyone from using a potentially good feature because it might upset others? Why have the option to digest? Couldn't it upset some people?


It's not even like I plan on using said feature myself, neither of my two Chars would have a use for it. But I think we shouldn't outright ban the concept without looking at ways to alleviate problems.

[Artemis]

What if the default state in the MPM was to have the genitals off? That way it was an Opt in?

That's not really opt in. People are still going to show their genitals to you, you're just opting out of seeing them. Opt-In would be if nobody's genitals displayed unless everyone involved agreed on it. Say if there was a command to request to show someone your MPM genitals. That would be opt-in. The problem is the idea of passively initiating a sexual encounter without asking permission first.

Your "MPM is buggy" point isn't very valid

I've seen more people trying to figure out what's wrong with MPM than any other plugin.

And finally, should we really disallow everyone from using a potentially good feature because it might upset others?

We already set the precedent for that when we asked people to start taking RPs to private.

[chibi-wolfy]

Speaking on the subject of MPM, do we even have permission to modify it for kink purposes? I'm honestly curious because I haven't really been keeping up with it - I don't know if the source code was ever released, or if the original author would be comfortable with the thought of some weird-ass vorarephiles tinkering with it. Or if there's a grey area and trying to type posts late at night is making me dumb. ._.

[LiekosSilver]

anywhere i can post suggestions o.o

[dasamppa]

http://aryion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=44616

there ya go, liekos ^w^

[Mustelid]

Is there someplace I can readup on this mod/plugin before logging in for the first time and becoming overwhelmed?

[Catzalot]

What if the default state in the MPM was to have the genitals off? That way it was an Opt in?

That's not really opt in. People are still going to show their genitals to you, you're just opting out of seeing them. Opt-In would be if nobody's genitals displayed unless everyone involved agreed on it. Say if there was a command to request to show someone your MPM genitals. That would be opt-in. The problem is the idea of passively initiating a sexual encounter without asking permission first.

Your "MPM is buggy" point isn't very valid

I've seen more people trying to figure out what's wrong with MPM than any other plugin.

And finally, should we really disallow everyone from using a potentially good feature because it might upset others?

We already set the precedent for that when we asked people to start taking RPs to private.

First, I said that the genitals would be off by default, meaning you'd have to activate to SEE them, not to have on your model. Making it a definate Opt in, and not an Opt Out.

Second, Then we have reached an impasse, because I have only twice seen people have problems with MPM, but have seen /vo mess up more times then I can count on two hands.

Third, No, we ASK people to go into Private for RPs, we don't mandate and ban RP's. That's the difference between what you are proposing and what we do with RPing.

[Artemis]

First, I said that the genitals would be off by default, meaning you'd have to activate to SEE them, not to have on your model. Making it a definite Opt in

That's not really opt in. People are still going to show their genitals to you, you're just opting out of seeing them. Opt-In would be if nobody's genitals displayed unless everyone involved agreed on it. Say if there was a command to request to show someone your MPM genitals. That would be opt-in. The problem is the idea of passively initiating a sexual encounter without asking permission first.

Third, No, we ASK people to go into Private for RPs, we don't mandate and ban RP's.

We already set the precedent for that (Restricting users sexual interactions) when we asked people to start taking RPs to private.

All that's being asked is that you get consent before putting your dick in someone's face. A show/hide button doesn't work as consent because other people won't necessarily know that you have genitals turned off. There needs to be a "Want to see my genitals bro?" "Yes/No" exchange between users if this mod is ever going to become a thing. Maybe there could be some sort of list that keeps track of who has given you permission so that you don't necessarily have to ask every time.

Though regardless of development issues, I still believe all of the other options are a better bang for our buck strictly because they serve to benefit everyone, or almost everyone, instead of one specific crowd.

[Catzalot]

I wouldn't exactly call Genitals a niche thing on a fetish server. And why do we NEED a "can I show you my junk?" button? That's like saying that you need a "Can I talk in global" button instead of having an ignore feature. I don't see how toggling the ability to view something isn't consenting to viewing said thing. That doesn't make sense. If you don't want to see genitals, why would you have the toggle on?

Once again, i wouldn't even use this feature, but I don't see why you are so vehemently against it. Especially for someone who fought against the removal of child interaction in the Devourment mod.
Or is it only "Kink shaming" if you are the one being denied a feature?

[Artemis]

And why do we NEED a "can I show you my junk?" button?

That's a reasonable question. Why would we ever need to get consent on a sexual server?

Or is it only "Kink shaming" if you are the one being denied a feature?

Skyrim is a single player game. I shouldn't need to explain to you why it is irrelevant to a conversation about consent. This is getting ridiculous.

You have a knack for marginalizing people and painting them as overly sensitive gits for not sharing your fetish. This isn't the first time you've broken out this shitty attitude either. I will be speaking to Cookie myself regarding consent concerns, putting an end to this argument. You need to stop marginalizing people though. If I see you doing that to anyone on any server related threads or on the server I'm just going to go straight to the mods and ask them to speak to you. I'm not doing this again.

[Catzalot]

And why do we NEED a "can I show you my junk?" button?

That's a reasonable question. Why would we ever need to get consent on a sexual server?

Or is it only "Kink shaming" if you are the one being denied a feature?

Skyrim is a single player game. I shouldn't need to explain to you why it is irrelevant to a conversation about consent. This is getting ridiculous.

You have a knack for marginalizing people and painting them as overly sensitive gits for not sharing your fetish. This isn't the first time you've broken out this shitty attitude either. I will be speaking to Cookie myself regarding consent concerns, putting an end to this argument. You need to stop marginalizing people though. If I see you doing that to anyone on any server related threads or on the server I'm just going to go straight to the mods and ask them to speak to you. I'm not doing this again.

FIrst off, you ignored almost the entirety of my arguement relating to the "can I show you my junk" button.

And second off, MY FETISH? I don't plan on using the feature! I don't see how it's MY fetish!

Third off, I'm not freaking out or "marginalizing" anyone. Throwing buzzwords at your problems doesn't make them go away.

[wierdo2000]

guys guys guys, calm down, its not like we are getting the mod out by tommorow, the eta is a year from now with all the feature enabled, by then i bet we can implement a hide parts button or something!
i added an "nsfw" vote aswell, if there are a lot of ppl voting for it, then we will have a more sexual server. ppl choose. democracy

[Artemis]

buzzwords

You've uncovered my conspiracy to confuse you with scary sounding words.


To recap, Night, the issue with a 'hide button' is that nobody else would know if you're hiding genitals, because they don't have to ask, which prevents it from functioning as consent. People will still approach you assuming you aren't, because we're dumb like that. I suggested the idea of a command that prompts other people with a "Do you want to see X player's genitals?" dialogue, sort of like how /tpa and /tpahere works. That would function as consent because the player has to ask to show off their NSFW stuff and the other players have to accept it.

Could you maybe pass those concerns/ideas on to Cookie for me, so that I don't have to hunt him down? ='D