And there's no cutting up, cooking, chewing, etc.
pass. having no food prep/cooking is a turn off for me. put me down for the resistance if that's the case.
And there's no cutting up, cooking, chewing, etc.
Zuriel303 wrote:EnderDracolich wrote:In that case, no thanks! It sound way to much like slavery. They are less of "predators" and more like "farmers" and the prey are really just "livestock" for them. If they had something more to offer than simple exploitation and conquest, that would be different, but as it stands I see no positive side to letting them take over. All the benefit for them, no benefit for humanity, and humanity loses its sovereignty and free will. Viva la resistance!
I kinda see what you're saying. But I'm not sure how any sort of predator-prey relationship would be beneficial to the prey personally when the result is still being consumed.
EnderDracolich wrote:Well, in any situation, the actual "eating people" thing would still be inherently negative. However, I think there are contexts in which aliens could offer benefits which outweigh the negative effects. For example, what if the aliens could cure cancer, end all wars, and provide unlimited free energy? Surely that would save more lives than they would take by preying upon people. It could be a sort of sacrifice or tribute, in exchange for their protection and technology. Granted, I am still at a loss as to why they would want to eat people in the first place; every explanation I come up with is either outright evil (they do it for fun/sexual pleasure) or highly implausible.
Zuriel303 wrote:EnderDracolich wrote:Well, in any situation, the actual "eating people" thing would still be inherently negative. However, I think there are contexts in which aliens could offer benefits which outweigh the negative effects. For example, what if the aliens could cure cancer, end all wars, and provide unlimited free energy? Surely that would save more lives than they would take by preying upon people. It could be a sort of sacrifice or tribute, in exchange for their protection and technology. Granted, I am still at a loss as to why they would want to eat people in the first place; every explanation I come up with is either outright evil (they do it for fun/sexual pleasure) or highly implausible.
They would do that anyway, whether they're evil or not. Any sort of lethal human problem like famine, disease, war, genetic disorders, etc. would be a detriment to them. We may treat our livestock like crap but we make sure their population is in tact. Try watching the "To Serve Man" episode of the Twilight Zone. Also, the reason they would want us is as a delicacy. There are plenty of creatures we eat that are rare, in only a few locations, need to go to great economic lengths to obtain, and don't serve an exceptional nutritional benefit. But let's just say we taste too damn good for them to ignore us.
Redatheart wrote:Only people deserve to eat other people!
EnderDracolich wrote:Well, in any situation, the actual "eating people" thing would still be inherently negative. However, I think there are contexts in which aliens could offer benefits which outweigh the negative effects. For example, what if the aliens could cure cancer, end all wars, and provide unlimited free energy? Surely that would save more lives than they would take by preying upon people. It could be a sort of sacrifice or tribute, in exchange for their protection and technology. Granted, I am still at a loss as to why they would want to eat people in the first place; every explanation I come up with is either outright evil (they do it for fun/sexual pleasure) or highly implausible.
Sean1M wrote:Evil is a subjective term. And for a race advanced enough to not only reach Earth but also implant thoughts and ideas into the brains of its occupants it wouldn't be implausible that they would see themselves as above us and us ourselves as mere animals. Just as we view chimpanzees or bottlenosed dolphins as mere animals despite evidence to the contrary.
Jayezox wrote:Killing something sapient unless it's for survival is evil, plain and simple. An alien race that has technology to harvest all kinds of food sources, but chooses humans is just wrong.
There are a lot of grey areas of what's good and evil, but there are definitely some black and white areas too and murder is one of them.
GramzonTheDragon wrote:I'd still be into it because the scenario completely ignores that I'm a pred or observer, and I use furry as a way to keep irl separate from the fetish. So I can't really act on it much anyway even if my fantasies were to be a reality.
Also there's not much reason for a hostile alien race to eat us. Brings risk of earthborn infection, though that might be solvable with medicine. If they did want the meat of humans en-masse they would have probably figured out how to grow organs and muscle in the lab efficiently enough to not need many humans at all to kickstart a supply. After that it's more likely slave labor or just abandoned or killed off for resources, depending on what their civilization needs and can actually use.
Sean1M wrote:GramzonTheDragon wrote:I'd still be into it because the scenario completely ignores that I'm a pred or observer, and I use furry as a way to keep irl separate from the fetish. So I can't really act on it much anyway even if my fantasies were to be a reality.
Also there's not much reason for a hostile alien race to eat us. Brings risk of earthborn infection, though that might be solvable with medicine. If they did want the meat of humans en-masse they would have probably figured out how to grow organs and muscle in the lab efficiently enough to not need many humans at all to kickstart a supply. After that it's more likely slave labor or just abandoned or killed off for resources, depending on what their civilization needs and can actually use.
True. They would very likely just strip our planet of resources if they had that methodology.
On the subject of diseases though poisons are the more prominent threat. The more distant two species are genetically the less likely they are to catch the other's disease. This varies with bacteria with some being specialised to species while others don't discriminate but our viruses would be completely harmless to them because viruses are completely specialised to one species.
Poisons however depend on what the two species are adapted too. What is harmless to us could be poisonous to them and vice versa. At the same time poisons are much less likely to be unique all space fundamentally shares the same elements and poisons are far simpler than organisms (or pseudo-organisms in the case of viruses).
Sean1M wrote:Jayezox wrote:Killing something sapient unless it's for survival is evil, plain and simple. An alien race that has technology to harvest all kinds of food sources, but chooses humans is just wrong.
There are a lot of grey areas of what's good and evil, but there are definitely some black and white areas too and murder is one of them.
If they view us as animals they wouldn't see it as murder. Just as its not murder to kill a cow for food. It really is very subjective. There are no black and whites. We would see it as evil but they wouldn't. And therefore they wouldn't be evil from there perspective.
The only true moral black and whites lie in the instincts nature programs us with but since they would be a predatory species and a completely different and very much unrelated one from us its not evil from that perspective either.
EDIT: Lets try it from this angle. Would it be evil for a shark to eat a human?
Zuriel303 wrote:Alright, so I've been reading through the replies. And it seems I forgot to factor in preds. I guess I just wasn't intending this question for anyone but prey, like myself. As then the question could be a little more difficult. As on one hand, what they want to do to humanity is horrible. But on the other hand, you get to live out your fantasy.
But let's say that in this scenario, preds in the vore community and attraction to any form of vore outside of oral are glitches in their program. But they are humanoid and extremely attractive, or they manipulate your vision so you see them that way. They are an exclusively female asexual species. And there's no cutting up, cooking, chewing, etc. They're like snakes in that they'll swallow you whole.
And no, they are not out to exterminate humanity. Quite the opposite. They want to domesticate us as a steady food source. They view us as a delicacy.
EnderDracolich wrote:*Snip*
Sean1M wrote:EnderDracolich wrote:*Snip*
An adaptation like this however would be more inline with a carnivore. And even among social species carnivores and large herbivores are typically far more hostile than omnivores. This alone could change up their base morals. If they were solitary by nature however (which is often the case with asexual species) this could change up their morals completely as solitary species typically don't hold much compassion toward their own kind. Spiders eat their mates, crocodiles eat crocodile children that aren't their own and wild cat species typically hold no moral objection to things like rape and murder. And yes these are all non-sapient examples but its pretty well all we have to go with as the only relatively sapient-ish species we know of that aren't solitary happens to be a bird which has a different mentality yet again. And its still an omnivore.
Another point to note is the standards of sapience. Yes they would consider us sapient if we were of similar intelligence but if they were from a race of far superior intelligence this would be their standard for what is or isn't a person. Tool making and even tool use is rare here but the right environmental circumstances could hypothetically make it commonplace on a planet. And if it is common then the standards for what is and isn't on the level of an animal could be vary different.
But this is all speculation. Hypothetical at best. And the main reason being that we don't even have an example of alien life let alone intelligent alien life. But I do agree with you that at least from our perspective such a race would indeed be evil.
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