Hey everyone!
Sooooo... I got always a lot of - rarely nice - comments and PM of people complaining that I draw kids dying in vore or having sexual intercourses. Well, when I say "kids" here, I mean exclusively that guy here:
https://aryion.com/g4/view/616397
This guy is NOT a kid. Not even close. He is not even a teenager. That guy is AT LEAST 25 years old. He is supposed to be one of my (IRL) friend who is in fact 30 y.o.
As most of you may I have realised, I like to keep my art really simple and as cute as I can. And when it comes to draw for myself, I have to admit that I don't really like bearded guys or muscular guys or people with a 550 feet-long cock. So yeah, it ends up that my character may look younger than a 30 year old, which is why I say 25 or worst case scenario 21.
But he is NOT a kid, and I start to feel a bit tired or repeating it, or even to explain to admins the whole stuff after my art have been reported as underage.
It is true that I also tend to include diapers in my drawing for myself, but I can't help if people haven't understand yet why or still think that someone wearing diaper = underage.
I always try to keep everything organised and to notify everyone by writing down in the tags or even in the title of my arts whether it includes something that some people might find disgusting. So if it does not say that it is underage, then IT IS NOT UNDERAGE.
I wish people could use common sense more often -_-
Posted by komaru 3 years ago Report
Sorry to hear youve been having these kinds of problems :(
Personally, I've never really found your stuff has looked underage at all.
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Posted by shlurpay64 3 years ago Report
That's pretty awful that you're being punished for providing the community with free art. Even if he WAS underage this is a community that fetishizes cannibalism so no one has any right to play white knight social justice warrior here.
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Posted by harpylove 3 years ago Report
Agreed. It is just drawings and writing so all is good. It's not like anyone is real.
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Posted by shlurpay64 3 years ago Report
There's a really obvious difference between fantasy and reality, obviously I'd NEVER eat a real life girlfriend, it's NOT REAL.
What's even worse is this poor artist is not even actually doing real underage stuff and is being witch hunted by these people. I haven't been around in the vore community as long as some but in the decade or so I've been here I've seen this behavior go from nonexistent to rampant.
It's just frustrating to watch, thank you Shoelace for your contributions to the community and it's sad watching you be punished for it.
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Posted by harpylove 3 years ago Report
Here here. Well said. Those witch hunters should just go back to Salem.
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Posted by charemthecharmeleon 3 years ago Report
Typically, people who wanna point out one fetish as 'wrong' while having interest in a similar/equally 'extreme' fetish are just trying to justify their own interests, and are probably just really insecure about liking what they like.
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Posted by MirceaKitsune 3 years ago Report
Why does it matter at all though? Draw whatever you want and ignore those fanatics: They've destroyed enough communities already.
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Posted by Shoelace 3 years ago Report
When they just complain it's alright. Problem is that from times to times some are stupid enough to report me, and I then need to defend myself against admin or moderators on the website the complains were made. It's really annoying and a lot of wasted time -_-
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Posted by MirceaKitsune 3 years ago Report
Yes, true there. Be careful on Furaffinity especially as that place is ran by downright cultists doing random witch hunts for artists... not sure how bad others are, Eka's had to temporarily introduce new fiction rules but only till finding a new host. Anyway it's why I wish more programmers could help in building a decentralized / uncensorable art site where stuff like this censorship can finally be a thing of the past.
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Posted by charemthecharmeleon 3 years ago Report
There actually are a few places to host fictional art without worrying about some sort of consequence based on its theme. Hiccears comes to mind.
But I agree. I just wish people would stop being so insecure and treating fictional content to the same set of rules as RL content. (But they only do that with SOME content of course, not ALL content.)
Fiction should be considered fiction, end of story. Some of it should be censored for underage people, for sure, but I feel fiction has every right to exist unless it is aiming to cause RL harm. (For instance, racist art seeking to incite hate.) But if the purpose of the fiction is just to entertain or be interesting, even if it's morbid; then it has a right to exist.
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Posted by MirceaKitsune 3 years ago Report
We disagree on whether fiction (or anything on the internet) should be censored for anyone based on who they are in real life (including but not limited to age), which I generally consider thought control mixed with ageism / age discrimination. But we definitely agree that the insanity of censoring fiction because some people tie it to a crime in real life has gone out of control and needs to stop at once: It seriously feels like we're living in the dark ages when painters were persecuted by the king for offending his authority, when we're a few years away from sending people to Mars and stuff >_<
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Posted by charemthecharmeleon 3 years ago Report
I mean, I'm not super stringent on the censoring point. I do think that some content is something you need a certain level of maturity to see, but I do agree that age is not really a determining factor of maturity. After age 12, people have the physical development of their minds to ultimately start making their own choices, to some extent. Whether they show maturity in those choices is largely up to them; some people learn it quickly, and some people never really learn it at all. (In short: Locking certain things to a particular age is a very basic and imprecise way to measure if somebody is 'worthy' of participating in those things. I wish society would issue maturity tests of sorts, instead.)
Some people don't know how to separate fiction and reality, which is the real danger I suppose. Such people should not participate in that particular fiction, but that does not mean the fiction is bad. (The same argument could be used that a chronic gambler who doesn't know how to control his spendings should not be around a casino. This does not mean others should not be able to enjoy the casino, or that the casino is bad; it is simply bad for certain people that lack control.)
But by and large, the accusers of certain types of content being bad are the ones unable to separate fiction and reality, which is absolutely unfair to those who enjoy it and CAN separate the two. That's just projection and fear talking.
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Posted by Soffix 3 years ago Report
I always assumed that guy was supposed to be you, which would obviously make them of age since you're... you know, on this site.
Whoever it is, I'd still eat 'em. :>
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Posted by Shoelace 3 years ago Report
Nah, the guy is a IRL friend of mine x3 the character supposed to be me is the brown-haired pred (anthro or human)
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Posted by reliuskaiser 3 years ago Report
I've always wondered if you got flack for the art you make. Oh well, I still support you.
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Posted by Softkitty 3 years ago Report
I just saw the art... and in my opinion... Super cute! ^^ Keep your spirits up!
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Posted by Hereforvore 3 years ago Report
Just remember that for every vocal idiot there are dozens of silent supporters, and several vocal ones :)
Common sense has become a rarity in this day and age
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Posted by arceus1013 3 years ago Report
I like it
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Posted by Newtonne 3 years ago Report
Some people just can't seem control their emotions even when it comes to drawings. Or any sort of media in that regard. They're the same people that complain about violence in video games and dark themes in TV shows. It's unfortunate you'll end up having to be nervous about posting future works because of that.
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Posted by Shoelace 3 years ago Report
It's a shame that some people think that everything should be 100% to their liking. But that's just the terrible way they have been raised...
In the end, it does not make me feel nervous, just annoyed by what I constantly have to do just to keep posting arts :/
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Posted by immortalsane 3 years ago Report
I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
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Posted by techtician 3 years ago Report
I just see an art style. Unless it is outright stated that something is underage on here, I usually give it the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by charemthecharmeleon 3 years ago Report
I wish more people did this. But jumping to conclusions is a whole lot easier.
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Posted by Cimche 3 years ago Report
i always just read the tags. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
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Posted by Shoelace 3 years ago Report
Sounds goods, doesn't work x3
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Posted by shadepelt2 3 years ago Report
I'd say it's a shock people assume it but in all honesty a cute art style and not over masculine character tends to make it weird trying to figure out. Personally I just love the cute art style! I didn't ever quite think how old your characters are since it's usually at least the bare minimum of adult for most people, good to know the actual age though!
You make great art! The people who watch and support you are always gonna be happy to hear from you! Have a wonderful and just lovely day!
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Posted by deathknight 3 years ago Report
Wow you know you would think people can read but they can't. I love diapered predators as you see so few of them
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Posted by Novalori 3 years ago Report
That is rough. Sadly it kinda comes with some cutesy cartoony styles.
I definitely understand people not liking kids in vore, I don't either. But harassing is never okay.
Hope you don't let these people get to ya too much. Keep up the great work
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Posted by mifigor19 3 years ago Report
Well we're talking about the world where they want to ban ok for being racist.I think that there are too many people who don't use common sense. Maybe a better option would be sending you more of,, nice " PMs
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Posted by Assimilation 3 years ago Report
Sorry to hear that it's getting this bad for you now. I hope that the amount of support you've been getting in the comments of this blog post helps you frame the idea that most people are onboard with your content.
I know it might seem a bit cynical, but the rate at which people will complain about (perceived) underage content will scale with your popularity and isn't going to die down. Part of it is that some people will refuse to understand or believe you, and part of it is that every year we get new people in the community who've never been confronted with this before and will argue it anew. If they see a cute drawing of a male human, especially with a diaper, they will see it as sexualization of a child and they'll assume your protests are just lies to cover your ass; it's what's been happening and what will keep happening with vore art that fits this description.
The way to make this less troublesome for you while keeping you free to draw what you want is to address the site admins. They are typically at least a step above the common denominator (to put it lightly) of cringey barely-adults who come to this site and make a big stink about anything not of their own preferences. If you can get the admins to be aware that this might come up again in the future, they might deal with the future reports without needing you to defend yourself again.
It'd be lovely for your audience to be only those who had the capacity to handle this emotionally, but unless there's some barrier to entry to those who can't prove otherwise, you're going to get messages from those people from time to time.
What I hope comes across from my message isn't just a negative outlook for the future, but a way to mentally prepare for the likelihood that it won't just stop happening because of this blog post, and that you do have a course of action: not by leaving things untagged as underage (since they'll just try to add the tag), but through talking to the site admins about ignoring future reports on this matter.
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Posted by charemthecharmeleon 3 years ago Report
Some people clearly don't understand chibi art. Not to mention, regardless of that, it's fiction and you can draw what content you want, and determine the rules of that fiction as you please. I'm not personally big on the fatal stuff you sometimes do, but I respect it the same as the rest of your art.
Sorry people are bothering you about stuff like this.
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Posted by hatchmaster3 3 years ago Report
I always got the feeling that the age discrepancies were due to your cutesy art style so I never said anything. I am glad to see I was correct! Keep doing what you do you're awsome at it!
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Posted by Kligor 3 years ago Report
Ahh I had thought they were underage in a buncha pics and it did bother me but not enough to like, confront you or something lol.
Well knowing they are of age just makes more of your art more palatable for me then!
Also sorry to hear some folks have been less than nice in their approach.
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