Why Won't You Eat Me?
By TwrchTwryth -- Report
Matt wants Nadia to eat him. Nadia has no interest. Short story with the vore action happening off-screen, as it were, mostly meant as an exercise in what happens when you have willing prey, an unwilling predator, and all the power in the predator's hands.
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Posted by Gypa 15 years ago Report
Same that the vore action happened off screen specially Nadia and Amy.
Posted by Kaoru 14 years ago Report
I'm torn. On the one hand, this is an interesting topic addressed with some decent dialogue-writing, and a good deal of descriptive detail on one side. On the other...
Well, like I said. It's sort of...one-sided, if I can say that. Literarily, it's clear you understand how to develop conflict, and the complete lack of chemistry between the characters, ironically, is probably more interesting than a complete match would be in other circumstances. But that still leaves this as - more or less - a temper tantrum thrown by a guy who isn't getting his way.
"I want this!"
"No."
"But I want it!"
"No."
"But whyyyy?"
"Because."
"But I want it!"
...repeated throughout the story. What I like is that you use that as a framework - you use it to stabilize the progression of the story, even as you continually cut away from it or cut back to it.
What I was saying about one-sidedness, though...well. I think that's just the critical part of my brain and a more nervous part of my brain ganging up to point out, this isn't exactly an all-inclusive explanation of the nature of male-female relationships in vore.
I won't deny that there are certainly a lot of people - on the forums, in the chats - who follow the basic gender archetypes you've outlined here, but there are quite a few who this does a disservice to - on the male's side, especially.
Matt, as a character, is hilariously flawed. He's dense, dumb, simple-minded, /close-/minded, stubborn and completely cannot take a hint. He is more of a neanderthal than a man (and yes, I'm aware there are plenty of men who actually act like this.) Peevish, selfish and rude, he has absolutely no redeeming qualities.
This is really not the character to genuinely explore the gender divide, the reasons this kink differs between men and women. Nadia is a somewhat-refined, monovoracious and (unrealistically-)patient woman, whose reaction to an ex showing up completely naked in her room saying the equivalent of "Let's get it on, /with your stomach!/" is to gently explain that he's a brutish, sour, stupid git with no redeeming or imaginative qualities to his fantasies.
Meanwhile, she paints herself as a perfect, ascended character, free from base and lewd desires like Matt's, and claims the moral high ground to herself, for herself, categorically (and not just because Matt is a jerk!)
And it's the ending that really gets me. "Nadia lived happily ever after, continuing to do what she loved, and that was awesome."
"Matt was taken advantage of emotionally, physically and sexually by someone who forced him into a situation that compromised his personal integrity."
Seriously? It works for the character, just fine, in fact, but if we've established that the character is an archetype for the gender they possess, that's a little messed up. Women are perfect, divine creatures who are allowed to have a whole list of 'ascended' and non-sexual reasons to enjoy something and get off, and can be left in peace, but men always have to boil it down to sex, basic physical characteristics, and an emotionless frothing fuck?
Sorry, got a bit worked up, there. I don't know. I don't deny there are characters like Matt out there, in the world. Shallow, materialistic, petty people, who are terrible just as much for the fact that they have no respect for their partner's (or object-of-desire's) wants and needs, as for their own failings.
I just don't think that sort of person can have a genuine, realistic dialogue about the divide between the sexes, in vore or otherwise.
And, ironically, if you switched Matt and Nadia's names, and every gender identifier, and posted this on certain other sites - made Nadia the dumb, insistent, fumbling and bumbling one and Matt the cool, calm, suave, self-assured predator (guys like that do exist, I'm very pleased to say, y'know~) you'd either get a flood of people angrily commenting that you were being 'sexist' and degrading women, or you'd get a laugh and a 'yeah, isn't that just like girls, always trying to interrupt our awesome man-man funtimes'. ...depending on where you posted it. Yet as it's written, I suspect I'll be the only dissenting voice meekly pointing out that - while as a story, this is rather funny and interesting - it's a little unfair if it's meant to be taken as anything more than parody, and I worry that it will be.
To sum up: I have it on good authority that plenty of guys like instransient, emotional and personal bonds that go above and beyond the strata of physical lust, aren't intransigent boors, and know how to take 'no' for an answer. And I have it on even better authority that some girls just plain like sex, and find it 'hot' to eat other girls.
Those people, if they're not your audience, are none of your concern, but if they potentially are, they aren't gonna get much out of this story, I feel.
And that's my 0.02¢.
~K
Posted by tangent 14 years ago Report
^thiiis.
Posted by TwrchTwryth 14 years ago Report
Looking back at it, I agree that this is not really about the gender divide. Thinking about it now, I'm not even really sure what such an exploration would look like. Chalk it up to an attempt to write a quick descriptor that didn't go so well as I expected.
I will say, I didn't chart out the meanings of this story like Poe, I only put them in as they emerged as half-formed ideas in my head. It's what makes me an Internet writer instead of a professional. That said, my intention with this story was more something like this:
Matt's not supposed to represent all men and Nadia's not supposed to represent all women. Again, bad descriptor that I have since changed. Matt was created from three things. First, he's based off a lunkhead I actually know. Second, he's based off of the depressingly common people (usually men) you find in real life and especially online who have a juvenile view of sexuality imparted by taking porn at face value and not actually trying to figure out how other humans feel or act. Third, he's the Internet presence who tells an artist or writer "No, do it the way I want," the sort of person who tells a furry artist to do more humans or a writer not into digestion that the only way to do vore is to have digestion. In short, he's the person who can't understand the whole concept of "your mileage may vary."
Nadia's confident and relaxed so that the story could still be light-hearted. She exists to provide the snippets of vore we get and to explain to Matt why not.
Personally, it also comes out of the fact that I'm self-conscious about the fact that I only write human F/F vore (with very rare animal predator/human female prey exceptions). I'm a little sensitive to the fact that in that way I am one-note. This was, in some misconceived way, going to be an explanation of that. Writing it, I realized that there was no way that an actual predator could justify it in a way that made sense vis-a-vis a glorified voyeur like myself, so that really doesn't figure into the text, just the subtext.
As far as the ending goes, you may be reading it a little at face value or I'm not doing a good job at getting across what I had in my mind. Nadia has found her niche and is comfortable there; despite Matt's attempts to conform her to his desires, she continues to let that freak flag fly, so to speak. Matt's fate reflects those of Yolanda and Munizza earlier in the story; a person with no predilection towards homosexuality accepts it in the context of vore. The idea there--and maybe it would have been more explicit if I'd actually had the inclination to write pages of it--was to flip the standard in erotica in general that makes it so easy to turn a woman's dial from straight to bi to gay. That's something I can say I'm guilty of, as the majority of my stories involve lesbians in some way.
I may be wrong, but I think a lot of the problem is how I framed the story in my descriptor. And looking at it in that frame of mind, I can agree that it's easy to find misandry in that story. I apologize for this and have since changed the descriptor. Once again, Matt doesn't represent all men; he represents thick-skulled meatheads that think the only proper way to do sexual things is they way they want. I apologize for the confusion and misapplied gender stereotypes.
Posted by Throku 14 years ago Report
Heh, taking the analys to a new level...
I guess I have an issue with the "If you're one of the xx-only crowd I wan't naught to do with you."-crowd, who think they're on some moral highground because they can enjoy a wider variety of subcategories. While I think they should just shut up and deal with the fact that there's no reason anyone should waste their time or effort on something that doesn't interest them.
As such I see where Nadia is comming from, even if I don't think her arguments were very convincing.
And Matt's the nemesis of any author or artist.
I didn't really look into the gender stereotyping.
I did miss an actual vore-scene, but as a whole I thought the story was good as it were, even if the ending with Matt bothered me. I would have much prefered that the evesdropping Liam would have come barging in and dealt with Matt on-screen, preferably being a total ass about it and not in some white knight fasion. (Yeah and I'm an f/f only person as well. That said, when the story hands me lemons I make lemonade or toss the sour things on a shelf to collect dust.)
Posted by Indighost 14 years ago Report
good story...well written...needs MOAR VOAR! :D
Posted by quizmaster 14 years ago Report
I'd comment but I don't think I could beat or say anything different then what has already been said. :) Needless to say I like the characters because they "thought" about lots of things that "I" the audience doesn't think alot about.(The physical implication of eating someone, pain,mental torture,physical detriment, etc... ) Lots of thinking! ")
Posted by Aikahime 14 years ago Report
I'm really dissapointed with this xD
I mean, it's not a bad story, but you set everything up for a vore scene, and you don't write it. It;s like an action movie that skips the final scene and goes to the credits
Posted by Bradleymiddler 5 years ago Report
Okay, it's been just about a decade since you wrote this, so you might not care much.
Just wanted to say: this one was a letdown, sad to say... but not for the reason most others were. I was disappointed that Matt gave into being eaten by Liam, of all things. Felt... I don't know, a little out-of-character?
Posted by TwrchTwryth 5 years ago Report
So, while I appreciate my intentions when I wrote this story, I'm really not a fan of how it came out and kind of regret posting. I've thought about deleting it more than a few times.
Matt getting seduced by Liam was supposed to be an inversion of how common it is in erotic media for women to be seduced or turned to same sex activity in a way that you never see with men. It feels so much more unusual in erotic fiction for a generic man to be seduced (and vored) by another man than it would for a generic woman to seduced by another woman. The fact that it seems out-of-character is meant to make us reflect on the default presumed bisexuality of women in erotica.
In fairness, I'm very very very guilty of this standard myself, based on what I as the author and a cis-het dude find interesting. I was even more guilty of it at the time I wrote this (if you look through the Old Stories folder, it may actually be lesbian-exclusive, and certainly no guy-on-guy). So, I'm calling myself out a little bit too.
Posted by Bradleymiddler 5 years ago Report
Yeah, that sounds pretty fair. I'm not at all against M/M vore, it's just that Matt didn't seem like the kind of person who would do something... you know, blatantly homosexual. So it didn't land right. Though, gotta say, it's a credit to your writing that you left enough of an impression for me to feel that way.